What is the one case (and I believe there's only one) in which a woman is Mechuyav Min Hatorah to go outside, even into public property, even if not dressed properly?
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How about if there is a fire in the house?
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Sota?
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Tzaru'a/Zav/Tamei L'Chol Nefesh? (Sedra Nasso)
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YT: Sotah's not in public. I don't think the public gets to see her. Also, it's not her obligation. The Mishnah says that if she was pretty the Kohanim wouldn't do parts of the ordeal.
PBA: Obviously, Pikuach Nefesh is Doche everything. I meant a specific case where the Din would necessitate it.
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Sam, I don't know the answer to your question, but I have a question for one of your comments - why do you say that a Sotah is not public? How would a person who would become a Nazir see her? Isn't it supposed to be that he sees a "Sotah b'kilkulah"? Sorry if this is not the exact term, hopefully you understand what I mean.
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If the house has tzoraas?
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Nechomah: I meant that it's not her choice to enter the public in such a state. Also, it occurred in the Azarah of the Beis Hamikdash, I believe. I don't think they allowed audiences in to see the shaming of the Sotah. Who knows, maybe they did? Either way, that's not what I meant because it's not her going out into public like that by her own decision.
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when a patient in a hospital?
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PBA: What's the Issur in being in a house with Tzara'as? It's just M'tamei her. There's no Issur, is there? But you are on the right track.
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"I don't think they allowed audiences in to see the shaming of the Sotah. Who knows, maybe they did?"
What do you mean who knows? Anyone who has learned a little bit of gemara knows that the public is invited to watch the sotah in the azarah. It doesnt go by what you do or don't think.
To answer your question, pregnant by a kohen in a house with a meis.
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If the house became issurei hanaa
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Squeak: I am not familiar with all of the Gemaros in Sotah, but I'll take your word for it that they invited people in.
And your case is only true if you hold by Rav Schachter. The Rokeach brought down by the Shach and other later Poskim specifically says that someone pregnant by a Kohen is allowed to enter a cemetery because there's a S'fek S'feka (maybe it won't be a Bar Kayam and maybe it will be a girl). Some of the later Achronim say that the Rokeach can't be talking about that, it's a Taharah B'luah anyway. They say it must mean that she's about to go into labor, and still the Rokeach says she can enter a cemetery. Rav Schachter, in B'ikvei Hatzon, explains the Rokeach's Shittah and why it can be understood Kipshuto, and then says that since Bizman Hazeh it's a Safek which is Efshar Livrurei B'kal by a sonogram that the Heter of the Rokeach would no longer apply and that she cannot be in a house with a Meis. So according to Rav Schachter, there's a second answer. You are correct. There is one answer that should be Muskam by everyone, however.
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If she is n a room where there is a meis already. Is she mechuyav to exit even if she is immodestly dressed?
The issur of tumah has been done. Going outside would result in an additional issur.So what's the answer???
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2Scents: No, because we say that staying in the room with a Meis is an Issur of Kum V'asei and not Shev V'al Ta'aseh. So she'd be Mechuyav to leave. But what's the case in which a woman cannot be in a room with a Meis?
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If she is in Yichud and comes to realize it?
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Let me guess. If there is unfiltered internet in the house.
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At first i thought you meant yitziya davka, but if you respond to sotah then you mean, whats the case where a woman would be allowed to be in public not fully clothed? if i understand correctly the answer is shatnez.
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That's if we hold that yichud is a doreissa.
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Shaatnez makes sense.
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Shatnez is a correct answer. The only answer, I believe, as to when she is specifically allowed to leave her house in such a condition is if she is a Nezirah and there is a Meis in the house.
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From the wording of the question, it is the change of domains, not the change of clothes. Shaatnez would indicate that you would have to remove your garment immediately, not necessarily leave the house. I still maintain my original answer from a pasuk in Nasso, that a Zav/Tzarua has to leave the Machane.
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sam- your pshat isnt absolute. if there was a meis mitzvah in the house and then someone died, she wouldnt need to leave because shes michubar litumah.
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Toi: That's a Machlokes Rishonim, no? The Mechaber seems to Pasken you can't do that.
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If she is the last person on earth?
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Sam2- as far as i remember the machlokes rambam and raavid is only if youre still tomeh but not being mitameh bipoel. in other words, once he stops touching the meis. but i think everyone is modeh if youre still touching the meis. or in a house with one.
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Toi: The Mechaber and Rama both Pasken that the Kohanim need to have their burial spots at the end of the cemetery. The Rama explains because even though the Kohanim can go through Tumah to bury them, they can't go through the cemetery on the way out. If what you're saying is true then there's no reason they can't leave the cemetery the long way once the relative is buried.
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but both would be maskim that as long as they are doing a maaseh of actively being mitameh, not just having the status of tomeh, in an oifen muttar, they wouldnt be ossur to keep being tomeh. like an ohel. ie. if a kohen would be carrying his dead father, or in an ohel with his dead father, you could give him another meis to carry, as long as hes being mitameh to his father too. whether or not he could continue to hold the other meis after putting down his father is a matter of debate. so, if a meis mitzvah was already in a house with a nezira, and another person died- the tumah b'ohel is already from the mais she is muttar too; she wouldnt need to leave. ill try to find it inside, its a machlokes rambam and raavid in hilchos nezirus.
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Toi: We consider just being in a cemetery as an act of being actively M'tamei. And in your scenario with the Kohen it's different because that's a Meis that he can be M'tamei to, Mah She'ein Kein Hacha. If there was a Meis Mitzvah in the house, then maybe she wouldn't have to leave for a second Meis in the house. But not just if she was already being M'tamei.
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i said meis mitzvah the first time. in other words, actively being mitameh b'oifen heter. michubar litumah bihetairah.
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