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  • #971592
    jbaldy22
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    @LevAryeh

    I personally am aware of situations where that was not the case, but even if I did agree with you it wouldn’t change the fact that if they are Jewish we have a mitzva of pidyun shvuyim regardless and it is typically smarter to be dan lkaf zchus.

    #971593
    apushatayid
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    “it is typically smarter to be dan lkaf zchus.”

    It is not just a chumra.

    #971594
    LevAryeh
    Member

    jbaldy22 – You’re probably right. However, see Rabbeinu Yona in Avos Perek 1 to “Vehevei dan es kol adam l’kaf zechus” to decide whether or not it applies here.

    #971595
    eclipse
    Member

    LevAryeh(and all those who agree with the above statement): “iffy”? Maybe the person with an agenda, arranging for the person to be arrested on false charges is the “iffy” one??

    Take it from me. The only ones who KNOW there was foul play are the cops and the D.A.’s office.

    Few neighbors/press agents (whatever the case may be) ever bother to find out the truth.

    It happened to me a few years ago, I will never totally forget that traumatic experience as long as I live, and as a result: I NEVER BELIEVE LOSHON HORA ABOUT ANYONE, no matter how “reliable” the source. I am the last person to whom anyone dares to gossip frivolously!

    #971596
    eclipse
    Member

    Where there’s smoke there’s fire….or a stink bomb. And you never know who lit the match.

    #971597
    LevAryeh
    Member

    Where there’s smoke there’s fire….or a stink bomb.

    Right. Or fire.

    I do truly feel bad about whatever happened to you, eclipse. I’m sorry if my comments hurt you at all; I did not mean to be pushy about my opinions.

    #971598
    eclipse
    Member

    Lev: I’m not personally offended, but thanks. I guess I’ve said as much as I could say on this topic – if not too much – so to all posters on this thread: Let’s respectfully agree to agree/disagree, that’s all:)

    #971599
    YITZCHOK2
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    I would assume Lev aryeh is still very young. In today’s court system many times it makes sense to just plea bargain than fight even if you are innocent. Let’s take this case which I don’t know much about but had the defendant been offered up front a plea bargain with the 6 months sentence she would have been a fool not to take it even is she was 100% innocent. The amount of months to prepare your defense is much more than 6 months. the cost of defending yourself even when you are innocent is astronomical. In addition no matter how innocent you are to leave your fate in the hands of 12 jurors is a big mistake. they can make the innocent guilty of the guilty innocent.

    #971600
    charliehall
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    She is a convicted fraudster and I can’t believe that so many commenters are declaring her “innocent”. Her behavior is the kind of nonsense that makes all frum Jews look bad. And the defense of that behavior makes us look silly and hypocritical when we talk about “morality”.

    #971602

    “The government can threaten to bring anyone to the stand they want (elderly grandparents, wives etc.) and can completely destroy a persons livelihood and reputation.”

    Nope. Spousal privilege.

    #971603
    TheGoq
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    Were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg sentenced to death because they were jews or because they were communist spies?

    #971604
    LevAryeh
    Member

    eclipse – Thanks for the mature response; I think that’s the best option. Let’s all disagree to agree 🙂

    YITZCHOK2 – I can try to prove to you that I’m not “very young”, but it will take too much time and effort, so I’ll just announce publicly that I’m fourteen.

    #971605
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    Dr. Hall: I don’t know (and don’t care) if she is innocent or not. I can still be pleased that someone who did not commit a violent crime and has (hopefully) learned to be more careful in the future is united back with her family. Even more so since she is Jewish, and therefore a shitckel “Mishpacha”.

    ZD: Please don’t use the term schv… Thanks.

    That being said, it would depend if the crime was violent or not, if there was remorse, as well as other factors. If it was the same situation I would be pleased that we are no longer paying for a non-violent criminal to stay in our federal “hotels”.

    #971606
    metrodriver
    Member

    @Crisisoftheweek: The issue here (In the case of Wendy Runge. as I understand it.) is not the guilt or innocence of the defendants, but the disproportionately harsh sentence that they drew. As in the Rubashkin and Pollard cases, even their most ardent supporters don’t deny that they did something wrong. It’s just that they had the proverbial book thrown at them. While others (of non-Jewish descent) in a similar situation received only a slap on the wrist.

    #971607
    jbaldy22
    Member

    @jewishfeminist02

    They can threaten to prosecute them …. Which is what I also meant in the case of the elderly grandparents.

    #971608

    @metrodriver

    She received that “harsh sentance” because she was completly insincere in her allocution to her “non violent crimes” and then went on the internet and blogged about the anti semetic judge.

    So in a sense she stuck her tounge out at the judge and the judge cut it off, and rightly so.

    #971609
    popa_bar_abba
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    JF: Tell your husband he means spousal immunity. Spousal privilege refers to where it is about confidential communications between the spouses.

    #971610

    jbaldy: Not if they did nothing wrong.

    popa: Actually, that was me (I pick things up from him) and I did mean spousal privilege, although rereading jbaldy’s post I now realize that the line of questioning was not specified.

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