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Sacrilege
“Single Frum female girls?
Yea, we have more than youd care to admit in common.”
Oh so does that mean that I have so much in common with every single frum male?
Everyone has their personality type, their level of frumkeit and their Hashkafos as well as interests and hobbies. There are plenty guys my age and single who I have very little in common with, we have totally different interests. They would love nothing better than to spend a day watching movies or sitting on the beach, for me Id rather read or hear something spiritually inspiring and enlightening, or hear a great piece of music…
Theres a reason why people are generally good friends with others who are similar to them in interests, Hashkafos…
addicted
Must be such a secret, even I dont know about it 😉
(sigh)i wish the labels could be cut altogether.or narrowed down to 3:A.i keep the torah…B.i make up my own leniencies and stringencies as i go along…and lastly:C.i look like i keep EVERYTHING PLUS but the people who live with me might say otherwise except they can’t cuz it’s loshon hora!Abbreviated to:TB=TRUE BLUE(MY LEVUSH MATCHES MY BEHAVIOR-IN A GOOD WAY),OR…CT=CUSTOM TORAH(MADE ESPECIALLY FOR…)
OR…IAAI=IT’S ALL ABOUT IMAGE.OK?
TO REVIEW:TB / CT / IAAI.any takers?
I only ascribe to two labels:
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NP-
Anyone figure them out?
WIY
When people find themselves in the same situation they usually can find common ground. Does this mean they have to be best friends? No, but areas they can agree on? Yes.
Sacrilege
With you I think the only thing we would agree on is that we disagree. Lol.
All kidding aside, you are right 2 people in the same situation can find common ground. That doesnt mean they will agree on things. For example 2 people can be in a predicament but both will have a different understanding of what happened and why. 2 people can hear the same conversation and walk away with different conclusions.
if you mean pretty and not pretty shame on you sir(poppa)
No, I meant Popa and Not Popa.
Modern Yeshivish = wearing tzitzis out and a black hat… while attending Brooklyn College.
ainohd
I want one!
Modern Yeshivish wouldn’t be caught dead wearing tzitzis out.
sounds like a well rounded guy….the best of both worlds….wow! very rare…meaning he’s solid frum(wants to wear the black hat) but also has the sense of responsibilty…where do u find them?
poppa…you tellin the truth??or are you CT?
In the Beis Medrash.
CT? (Don’t tell me to google it, I did.)
didn’t you see my suggested labels and abbreviations?
how do i keep tabs on this thread without having to keep scrolling thru old stuff?
I’m CT. It’s nice, but there is nowhere to look anything up.
so
why shouldnt he tell you to google it
he clearly meant Captain Tsubasa
Hey! Don’t tell everyone who I am! Mods are supposed to keep our privacy!
i posted it this afternoon
P-
NP-
Anyone figure them out?
Poppa, I was going to go with Possible and Not Possible
if it was you bp who had posted that i would have said
plastered
not plastered
Very good, Mod! I like that!
problem/no problem.
plocha(russian)/nyet plocha.
poor/not poor.
potbelly/no potbelly.
parents (supporting)/not (a)parasite.
patient/not patient.
perfect/not perfect.
any right?
Modern Yeshivish is to litvish like what a Tuna Beigel is to chassidish.
Just my opinion
These are all good options, but I really did mean “Popa” and “not Popa”.
Now, potbelly and Popa do have a certain relationship, but this Popa no longer has a potbelly.
Dress British,
Think Yiddish.
(But whatever you dom don’t get that backwars!)
I also liky BP Totty and Yanky55’s definitions. although I’d add to them an appreciation of the keddusha found in varied asspects of HaShem’s broader Creation.
tuna beigel is the result of a chassidish kid at risk.obviously.but modern yeshivish is EITHER:THE RESULT OF A YESHIVISH KID AT RISK WHO CALMED DOWN AND DECIDED TO REMAIN FRUM JUST NOT EXACTLY LIKE HIS/HER PARENTS OR:THEY WERE RAISED MODERN ORTHODOX AND ARE TOTALLY CONTENT AND UNREBELLIOUS.
i still maintain strongly that whatever lifestyle you choose…be sincere,honest,and remember not to make up the rules.the labels are irrelevant!
but modern yeshivish is EITHER:THE RESULT OF A YESHIVISH KID AT RISK WHO CALMED DOWN AND DECIDED TO REMAIN FRUM JUST NOT EXACTLY LIKE HIS/HER PARENTS OR:THEY WERE RAISED MODERN ORTHODOX AND ARE TOTALLY CONTENT AND UNREBELLIOUS.”
Please don’t type all in caps, it is the equivalent of shouting.
Modern Yeshivish is a person who is machshiv learning, but also sees and learns about the world around him. He is probably educated, going for a degree in an area in which he expects to make his parnassah, and is dedicated to a Torah life, while at the same time involved in the secular world as well. I believe many of our Meforshim could be thus classified, including Rashi and Rambam, and many Gedolim today are learned in both Torah AND Madah. There is nothing whatsoever OTD about them, they just have a life outside of the Yeshivah, too.
Modern Yeshivish is a step down from Yeshivish (but a step up from Modern Orthodox.)
i don’t know what otd is but i have 100% respect for all jews.i grew up in canada and my classmates were the full spectrum!i hope no offense was taken by anything i wrote because none was meant.(sorry about the caps)
Modern yeshivish is a step up from yeshivish.
so right, re: “Modern Yeshivish is a step down from Yeshivish (but a step up from Modern Orthodox.)” I beg to differ!
As a Matchmaker on a Shidduch website employing that terminology, I can tell you the clear differentiation.
Yeshivish: Those who went to Yeshivos for example Torah Temimah, Lakewood, and for girls Bais Yaakov, and similar, who dont want TV or Movies, and other items of secular origin/outside influence.
Modern Yeshivish: Those who went to Yeshivos for example Torah Temimah, Lakewood, and for girls Bais Yaakov, who do want TV or Movies, and other items of secular origin.
Modern Orthodox (Machmir, Middle of the Road, Liberal…): Those who went to YU/Sterns type schools, some of whom want no TV or movies (Machmir), etc and some of whom do. MO Liberal, a very small percentage of YU/Sterns type, is to the left of the MO spectrum, allowing pants for women, etc.
There are many YU/Sterns people who do NOT want TV and Movies, etc (even if they dont wear the Black Hats) and the percentages are increasing about as much as Mod Yeshivish people (most often with Black Hats) who DO want some form of videos, etc.
Hope that helps.
Ofcourse: IOW, the way you look at it, Modern Yeshivish took a step down and embraced television even though they may have come from families that didn’t have that garbage in their homes. Whilst some Modern Orthodox took a step up and got rid of the garbage they may have grown up with, and will not have a television in the home.
Ofcourse
Your definition seems on the mark.
can i vent?i’m a single mom looking to move.every yeshivish landlord ended up making up a bogus excuse…the others seemed interested.yeshivish motzi shaym ra takes on a life of its own.meaning mr.x is “CHOSHUV YESHIVISH” yeshivish;and that world seems to be way smaller than i thought…(sigh)
that is why i keep repeating be sincere be honest and don’t make up your own torah.
Tuna, your definition is chillingly accurate.
BPT
I think Tunabeigel is way more extreme than a Modern Yeshivish. a tuna is more modern than a modern Yeshivish in most cases and is sometimes close to off the derech or just at risk. A Tuna will be wearing jeans (dgeens) a tight intereting colored tee shirt (ah tee shuhrt) have a very trim beard or none at all (trrrim bearrrd) small payos or none at all. A bluetooth in his ear (ah bluetoot) have the latest model cell phone (tzell fon) if married will be with a girl who looks like a…id prefer not to describe in detail here…
He will be very lax in his mitzvah observance, and will likely use many vulgar words that will make one wonder if he was ever a sailor. However they won’t be sytactically correct and it will sound like he is “trying to be a goy” but just doesn’t know how. Oh and he will smoke like a chimney, have a small Yarmulka or wear a baseball cap. His shoes will be wacky (and probably not match the rest of the ensemble) need I go on? BPT you can take over from here.
My point is a Tuna is a major rebel and is running away from chassidus. (They will never go to tish and cants stand any of the chassidish stuff like long Davenings…)
A Modern Yeshivish is someone who takes some liberties but still wants to be a part of the yeshivish velt. meaning behind closed doors they will do certain unyeshivish things but in public for the most part they come across more or less Yeshivish.
wiy – I agree with you, a tina is headed downwards as far as possible, while modern yisihvish is much more stable.
“behind closed doors they will do certain unyeshivish things but in public for the most part they come across more or less Yeshivish. “
WIY – you are right, the tuna beigel is more “in your face” than the modern yeshivish, but to the truly yeshivish person, its the same avlah.
Neither one (the tuna or the MY) really wants to be bound by the full program, but still want to “identify” with the group they stem from.
Sorry to say, you gotta choose. If you’re not striving for full compliance, you’re bound to start sliding. That’s life in the material world.
tunabeigel123
What most people call a tuna beigel is what I described give or take a few differences, but basically a Chassidish “bum.”
Your friends may call you Tuna to tease you, or you may be around more yeshivish guys and therefore to them its funny to call you a tuna. But as a general definition, a guy like youis not a tunabeigel!
“a guy like youis not a tunabeigel”
He has a point, Tuna. A true tuna bagel would not be happy in the CR and 90% of his (or her, in the case of a tuna baguette) posts would not make it past the mods.
Sorry tuna, you’re too eidle to be a real oisvorf.
It really doesn’t bother me whether i’m a tuna or not, just most my friends are not chassidish as i wasn’t brought up in a chassidish place so i suppose anyone who isn’t this vegy chassidishe guy they call a tuna.
BPT
What does oisvorf mean?
tuna – If you don’t know what oisvorf means, for crying out loud, you are DEFINITELY no tunabeigel!
I’m going to tell you in a minute, Tuna. But first, grab a jar, and bottle up some of your temimuskeit so that later doros will know what once walked this planet. (and tell your parents, rebbeim, counslors, and everyone else thank you. They did a great job in making you who you are).
An oisvorf is a outcast, a rebel, a shaygetz, a bad dude.
You are none of the above. Trust me, when you see a tuna, you’ll know the difference.
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