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  • #1502627

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“This EXACT question has been posed to you dozens of times.”

    Aren’t you glad that you found out about 1 of my 3 degrees & it didn’t cost you a penny?!?

    “It’s cute that you demand honesty of others when you keep repeating this obviously bogus claim (aside from many other lies you’ve been caught in including in this thread that demonstrates it isn’t just me who sees through you)”

    Why do you keep calling me a liar?
    Is it because you can’t find my SCOTUS case?
    I offered to give it to you for 2 million – so how can you say I’m lying?
    The truth is – I had a case, but since you proved to be a pain to me, for years, I refuse to give it to you for free!!!

    #1502661

    iBump 2.0
    Participant

    Im honestly starting to believe that Health is just pulling you guys along for the fun of it because the responses that Health is supplying are just getting less rational as they go along. Seems to me as a desperate attempt to keep this fun going!

    🙂 Bump 🙂

    #1502671

    iBump 2.0
    Participant

    And if i may back up my theory with something that Health personally said…..
    theyeshiva world.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-would-you-do-7/#post-1205042
    (since it seems the cr has changed a bit while i was gone, in that we can no longer provide a link to a specific post, just the thread. so for anyone who wants to check out what i was referring to (and that includes you Health:) ) perhaps this might work: i added a space into the url and perhaps the mod(s) will allow you to copy and paste the provided link into your url bar and just manually delete the space left between “yeshiva” and “world” for the link to work, you might have to wait a few seconds for the screen to jump to that post)

    Second half of his step three in the post.
    the glaring “<en>lack</en> of omission” leads me to believe….;)

    🙂 Bump 🙂

    P.S. its fun to be back:)
    But why <en>was </en> the ability to link to a specific post removed?

    • This reply was modified 8 months, 2 weeks ago by  YW Moderator-100.
    • This reply was modified 8 months, 2 weeks ago by  iBump 2.0. Reason: attempt to provide a more direct link for any interested public
    #1502673

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    Paramedic..

    I surmised as much….but it’s your disingenuous use of “medical degree” that is most telling. You shy away from saying you are a physician, I’d vote nurse or NP but you seem to disparage nurses in your other posts…. At some point I figured you to hold some sort of allied health degree….I’ll stick with that for now. Maybe some sort of technician? Some type of imaging maybe? What’s clear is that you haven’t the foggiest idea about how EMS really works, your critique of Hatzolah is amateurish and sophomoric, and ive established (for myself at least) that your grasp of critical care is junior grade. (Old conversation we’ve had), as for me, Ive made my credentials as clear as I can (within privacy limits) in older posts.

    #1502674

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    And as this conversation has taken it’s predictable turn and is now devolving …..I will bow to Mishlei’s wisdom. Perek 26 pasuk 4.

    #1502714

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ubiq
    Please don’t allow yourself to be taken for a ride.
    I am willing to give health ‘s scotus care
    Plus her real name plus all her alternate screen names, for 1.6 million.
    Plus I will throw in a free coffee maker and two nights in a three star hotel.
    Satisfaction guaranteed

    #1502719

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Aren’t you glad that you found out about 1 of my 3 degrees”

    Lol!

    “Why do you keep calling me a liar? Is it because you can’t find my SCOTUS case?”

    Yes, it is also because you pretent a paramedic degree is a “medical degree” (see above), then there was the time you made up triage guidelines, among others. But I’m not so in the mood for now, so I’ll leave it at that

    #1502724

    Health
    Participant

    CAD -“At some point I figured you to hold some sort of allied health degree….I’ll stick with that for now. Maybe some sort of technician? Some type of imaging maybe?”

    So Mister Know It All – What are my 2 other degrees?!?

    “What’s clear is that you haven’t the foggiest idea about how EMS really works, your critique of Hatzolah is amateurish and sophomoric,”

    Now Tell Me again – why are you defending them – if you’re Not a member?

    “and ive established (for myself at least) that your grasp of critical care is junior grade. (Old conversation we’ve had), as for me, Ive made my credentials as clear as I can (within privacy limits) in older posts.”

    Oh that’s right – you said your a PA in an ICU or are you the guy who’s a Medic that lives in Monsey?
    Either way – do you have 3 degrees to claim you know more medicine than me?!?

    #1502725

    Health
    Participant

    CAD -“and ive established (for myself at least) that your grasp of critical care is junior grade”

    LOL – All ACLS & ATLS is just memorization! Tell me – when do you treat Bronchitis with antibiotics?

    #1502799

    Uncle Ben
    Participant

    This thread has become entirely sophomoric, if it ever wasn’t.

    #1502815

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    Tell me – when do you treat Bronchitis with antibiotics?

    Oy……amateur hour. A real giveaway of your internet doctor status. My baser temptation would be to thoroughly embarrass you, with a query that isn’t Google-able, and would lay bare your ridiculousness, but I’m not. Simply because….sometimes you avoid doing things because it lessens you personally. So I am choosing not to lessen myself.

    Oh, and PS: short and sweet answer…..you dont.
    And long answer……meh….you wouldn’t understand and would bore the audience to tears.

    PPS: Chag Sameach/moed tov. I’m done with this subject.

    #1502823

    klugeryid
    Participant

    So let’s just sum up this thread
    We have a lady (health) who
    has some hidden gripe against Hatzola,
    Cannot state that gripe
    Cannot string together two logically connected thoughts
    Cannot give a pointed response to a detailed pointed question
    Is incapable of admitting a mistake
    Cannot listen to others with an open mind.
    BUT FOR THE RIGHT PRICE
    is willing to take over running one of the most respected and successfully run frum public/semi-public organization.

    For most of us Purim was a little more that a month ago.
    For some it seems it goes all year!
    L’CHAIM!! TO HEALTH!!! ah freilichen Purim to all!

    #1502864

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    klugeryid,

    So let’s just sum up this thread

    Seems like a turf war between Hatzola and Ezras Nashim.

    In my family, when we have called for EMS/ambulance service, we knew that going to the hospital ER was likely needed, and that time could be crucial, making driving ourselves potentially dangerous. When we’ve not been sure whether an ER or urgent care visit is needed or not and time is not yet of the essence, we first try to call our doctor to get advice. They have an after-hours answering service that pages a doctor on call – they state to hang up and call 911 if it’s a medical emergency. From what I understand, Ezras Nashim dispatches EMTs, but they don’t provide transport to the hospital, so I have a hard time ascertaining for what situations they intend to provide service. If it is simply to guarantee a frum female presence on the first responding medical team during an emergency, then they should instruct patients to call 911 or Hatzola first, to avoid any delay in transport. If the purpose is more geared towards determining whether something can be managed at home or not, maybe that should be clarified, and instructions to call 911 or Hatzola in the event of a medical emergency should be stated?

    #1502962

    Health
    Participant

    Ctrl Alt Del – From Health -“Tell me – when do you treat Bronchitis with antibiotics?”

    “Oy……amateur hour. A real giveaway of your internet doctor status. My baser temptation would be to thoroughly embarrass you, with a query that isn’t Google-able, and would lay bare your ridiculousness, but I’m not. Simply because….sometimes you avoid doing things because it lessens you personally. So I am choosing not to lessen myself.
    Oh, and PS: short and sweet answer…..you dont.”

    To E/O – I wanted to see if this guy who claims he knows more than me, is being truthful.
    The question I asked was very much to differentiate whether he’s a medical professional or just knows a little, like a paramedic.
    It’s quite obvious – he’s Not a medical professional!
    He does make a good English teacher. Most Medical professionals in our day and age have a hard time with English.
    The answer he gave was a correct answer for a layman!
    But the answer for a medical professional should have been like this :
    From Medscape:
    “Antibiotics, however, are recommended in patients older than 65 years with acute cough if they have had a hospitalization in the past year, have diabetes mellitus or congestive heart failure, or are on steroids.[20]”
    Also, antibiotics are helpful in a patient with Chronic Bronchitis, who presents with acute symptoms.

    IMHO, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”

    #1502954

    Health
    Participant

    Avram -“From what I understand, Ezras Nashim dispatches EMTs, but they don’t provide transport to the hospital, so I have a hard time ascertaining for what situations they intend to provide service. If it is simply to guarantee a frum female presence on the first responding medical team during an emergency, then they should instruct patients to call 911 or Hatzola first, to avoid any delay in transport.”

    I’m Not a member of EN, no matter what the posters say. The purpose of EN is to provide a female presence in the case of childbirth. Most cases of childbirth are not life threatening, No matter how the posters demand that they are. So the creation of EN makes sense. If emergency transportation is needed – EN will call EMS. That’s because Hatzola refused to work with them!

    #1502955

    hml
    Participant

    Did anyone ask Ruchie Freier what happened?

    #1502953

    Health
    Participant

    Ky -“We have a lady (health) who”

    I’m Not gonna read the rest of your lies, but I told you many times – I’m not a lady but a male!
    So I guess that you’re not that smart – that you can’t remember simple things.

    #1503010

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    ”I’!m Not gonna read the rest of your lies, but I told
    ***you***
    many times – I’m not a lady but a male!”
    List one time please ma’am

    #1503011

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Oh and by the way I am not a member of Hatzola, nor a medical professional either.
    But I am defending Hatzola
    So your claim that only someone in Hatzola would defend them sorta falls flat.
    Should we extend your ”logic??” to say only someone who cannot get onto Hatzola would bash them?
    Just wondering.

    #1503029

    Health
    Participant

    Ky -“But I am defending Hatzola
    So your claim that only someone in Hatzola would defend them sorta falls flat.”

    Granted that your not on Hatzola or their controlling commitee – so why in the world would you defend them? This is a matter of life & death, and if I thought H was capable to do a good job – I would use them for my family. Esp. if you claim that I’m not a medical professional! Why would I call EMS?!?
    Hatzola is quicker – most of the time.

    #1503028

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    From Medscape:

    HAHAHAHA That says it all!!! Perhaps you should refer to a non-consumer oriented medical journal such as Chest….. or the AAP guidelines….or the ACCP guidelines!!!! HAHAHAHA Medscape!!! You crack me up Now you’ve proven you’re a total fraud. A cut and paste web doctor!!! You go ahead and follow “medscape” for your prescribing guidelines…… Hahahaha!!!!! And get a good lawyer while youre at it….youre gonna need one!!! Medscape…….that is teriffic!!!! LOL!!!! And the best part is…….you’ve embarrassed yourself!! I didn’t even have to participate. LOL hahah….. Guy can barely understand an ABG and uses Medscape as a clinical resource….. Hey, how about using Goop (Gwenyth Paltrow’s demented health site) as a clinical resource……..

    Hey, since we’re trading medical questions, how about this: what’s the lowest occurring off label use for Albuterol? I’ll give you a hint…..the answer is probably somewhere online. Hahahahah But I’d actually be impressed at your Googling skills if you find it.

    Medscape……..sigh…….

    #1503035

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    Hahaha…..just cant get over: A real medical professional would say something like this…..(cuts and pastes FROM Medscape) HAHAHA At least rewrite it, paraphrase, embellish, SOMETHING…… smh……

    #1503040

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    I am not actually ”defending ” Hatzola. But only because I have not heard any actual complaint. So there is nothing to defend them about or against.
    What I am doing is standing up to a disgusting online bully who is besmirching their name without giving any reason for doing so.
    As I actually did post.
    I have unfortunately used them many times and every time their service was a1
    So put up or shut up

    #1503087

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Health, I didn’t get a chance to respond until now, but if I don’t have a wife, who should I be sarcastic to, other than you?

    #1503073

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    2scents: both very good answers, but there is one more thats very off label. I’ll wait to see what Health comes up with… tee hee…

    #1503085

    Health
    Participant

    Ky -“But only because I have not heard any actual complaint. So there is nothing to defend them about or against.”

    That’s because you’re so attuned with yourself – you didn’t read my posts!
    From page 5:
    “The only case of termination that I heard is when an EMT on Hatzola was working with H Medics & and they let the guy die! This EMT went to a Godol for a Din Torah. And the Medics & the leadership were opposing him – so they they threw the guy off!”
    Do you need to have the details? And there a lot more cases that I know about.
    So keep on playing Russian Roulette, but don’t say that you weren’t warned!

    #1503072

    klugeryid
    Participant

    I am still waiting for you to show me where you told me that you are a man.
    I’ll take your word for it now that you said it. But your claim that you told me many times before is plain odd, as I searched and it ain’t anywhere that I could find.
    And BTW, I never claimed you are not a medical professional.
    I wouldn’t do such a thing as I have no basis to say that.
    Nor is it important.
    Your posts are so ridiculous it would make you look worse if you are a medical professional.

    #1503053

    Health
    Participant

    CAD – I’m a honest guy – I didn’t know off label use for Ventolin. But I went to Wikipedia – and they used it as an upper in the Olympics. Also used as tocolytic. Research used for other things.

    #1503097

    Health
    Participant

    CAD -“.. or the AAP guidelines….or the ACCP guidelines!!!! HAHAHAHA Medscape!!! You crack me up Now you’ve proven you’re a total fraud. A cut and paste web doctor!!! You go ahead and follow “medscape” for your prescribing guidelines…… Hahahaha!!!!! And get a good lawyer while youre at it….youre gonna need one!!! Medscape…….that is teriffic!!!!”

    I really don’t know if you practice medicine or once did. But if you do, it shows your incompetence!
    The reason I used Medscape, instead of the others, is because they are basing their site on the UK guidelines for Acute Bronchitis, which is current practice. The others are not current.

    #1503159

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    I hope you noticed I stopped calling you a woman.
    Cause I’ll take your word for it since I have no evidence otherwise

    #1503166

    2scents
    Participant

    Not sure why my post was removed, (had to be visible for some time as CAD responded to it).

    Yet I find it weird that one who practices medicine would not know the off label uses for albuterol, its pretty common stuff.

    I would think that terbutaline would be given as a tocolytic instead of albuterol.

    #1503168

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    The others are not current

    Delusional……. but anyway. As demonstrated with an item that while on the internet, is most decidedly NOT in a Wikipedia entry or easily found, and you couldn’t cut and paste……..the correct answer is Proctalgia Fugax, with its one study showing effectiveness of Salbutamol (Albuterol, it’s more common name in the US). So now after you Google that, you’ll understand how the rest of us have been feeling during this conversation. And with that……I’m out.

    #1503158

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health, let’s bring the entire conversation leading up to that pull quote you provided just now

    CAD – “Having participated in almost every aspect of pre-hospital care, public, private, and volunteer, I can safely say the rate of incompetence amongst all agencies is pretty constant”
    (health responds)
    This I agree with. But other agencies have options that deal with incompetence. They have supervisors and lawsuits. Try suing H & keeping your kids into Frum schools!
    But other agencies have options that deal with incompetence”

    (CAD responds)
    So does Hatzolah. From remediation classes , to practice under observation, to restriction of privileges, to suspension, to termination. Its all there, much like every other BLS/ALS organization. Does it catch everyone? No, but neither does the 911 system’s QA/QI. Incompetence falls through the cracks sometimes, in EVERY organization.

    (Health responds)
    CAD -“to practice under observation, to restriction of privileges, to suspension, to termination.”

    LOL!!! You must be a Hatzola guy. ****The only case of termination that I heard is when an EMT on Hatzola was working with H Medics & and they let the guy die! ****This EMT went to a Godol for a Din Torah. And the Medics & the leadership were opposing him – so they they threw the guy off!
    And btw, it wasn’t me – like I posted many times – I never joined them!
    End quotes

    So basically your denial and counter-argument to someone else’s point consists of your entire rational.
    Until that point you would not mention your issues with Hatzola because it would ”involve issurim”
    And a reader is supposed to figure out that 200+ comments into a thread is where you will slip in your real issue??
    And we should believe that you can run an organization??
    Only way you can run it is into the ground.

    Oh and BTW to defend this foolishness of yours?
    Hey I am not involved so I know no details nor stats, nor have I ever tried to find them out, but I know at least 3 people who have been suspended / under observation by Hatzola for infractions.
    I don’t know the details cause it’s none of my business.
    But that’s 3 that I heard of WITHOUT EVEN TRYING!!!! so to claim they have no disciplinary procedures is just plain foolishness. Or outright lying. Your choice. I don’t claim to know with any degree of certainty if you are a fool or a pathological liar.

    #1503193

    Health
    Participant

    ky -“but I know at least 3 people who have been suspended / under observation by Hatzola for infractions.”

    I never said that they didn’t throw out people. Stop with your lying. As a matter of fact, I posted a case were they threw out an EMT for snitching to a Rov about a loss of life.
    You could continue to use them, but the reason of my posts is to warn people!
    I believed the Frum PC, until I got burnt.

    If I was running them – hundreds would be removed and e/o would be on camera.
    I know you can’t control your rank-outs, but if you decide to respond – try to do it civily.

    #1503203

    2scents
    Participant

    So you got burnt.

    Thats what this is all about, you getting burnt from the Frum PC?

    #1503207

    Health
    Participant

    CAD -“The others are not current”
    “Delusional……. but anyway.”

    The reason I wrote it’s not current is because of this:
    I had to go to WikEM to find the source!
    “Braman SS. Chronic cough due to chronic bronchitis: ACCP evidence-based clinical practice guidelines. Chest. Jan 2006;129(1 Suppl):104S-115S.
    Aagaard E, Gonzales R. Management of acute bronchitis in healthy adults. Infect Dis Clin North Am. Dec 2004;18(4):919-37
    Tan T, Little P, Stokes T. Antibiotic prescribing for self limiting respiratory tract infections in primary care: summary of NICE guidance. BMJ. Jul 23 2008;337”
    The third one is the most current!
    I’ve been proven right again.
    Some posters like to prove Chazal was right when they said Chutzpa Yahski.

    #1503217

    Health
    Participant

    CAD -“the correct answer is Proctalgia Fugax, with its one study showing effectiveness of Salbutamol (Albuterol, it’s more common name in the US)”

    Stop with your misleading – there is only Anecdotal evidence:
    From fpnotebook:
    “No proven Management.
    Medications with Anecdotal success:
    Albuterol MDI
    Catapres 0.15 mg bid
    Cardizem 80 mg PO bid
    Diazepam (Valium) at bedtime

    Procedures that have been studied with varying success:
    Sacral nerve stimulation
    Pudendal Nerve Block

    Maneuvers that anecdotally interrupt spasm:
    Sit in tub of hot water
    Apply ice to peri-anal area
    Finger placed inside Rectum
    Rectal suppository (e.g. Preparation H)”

    #1503219

    Health
    Participant

    2scents -“Thats what this is all about, you getting burnt from the Frum PC?”

    Let me explain – I believed the Frum PC about Hatzola & I used them. Consequently they were negligent and the family member didn’t survive. And it wasn’t just one mistake, but many!

    #1503240

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    Stop with your misleading

    Further proving your Internet Doctor status….. and the perils of following distilled medical websites. You’re not even smart enough to follow up on direct sources. Like a 5th grade bochur who thinks he knows Shas because he learned one seif choshen mishpat. From an artscroll. And trolls e-daf to cut and paste responses that he doesnt understand thus reinforcing his amateur status. And as you love to say…..Stop with your lying, you are not a practitioner of anything. You’re a mediocre medic with an enormous Napoleon complex because you went to nursing school and maybe got some certification within nursing. Maybe CCRN or CEN. Which are not additional “degrees”. I feel bad for your patientz a d coworkers, they have no idea of what a nudnick poser they’ve trusted with their care.

    PS: Do some more research. I’ll even give you a hint. Try The Lancet where the (non anecdotal) randomized controlled trial was published, or NCBI, or PubMed. I’ll bet You didn’t even know what the disorder was till you googled it. Laughable.

    #1503243

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    Interesting.

    Health keeps harping that Hatzolah doesn’t have standards with who they accept. However he himself disproves that by the fact the Health was rejected.

    Oh the irony.

    No I am not on Hatzolah, however they have saved the lives of family members of mine with tremendous dedication and professionalism.

    No wonder I do not take the word of someone so obsessed that one could almost actually see him foaming at the mouth in his posts.

    #1503254

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    I think my day will be much more entertaing if I adopt Healths demeanor

    Stop your lying, you couldn’t treat a paper cut.

    #1503328

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health:
    You wrote
    “I know you can’t control your rank-outs, but if you decide to respond – try to do it civily.”
    OK I will try. But first I need some guidance FPO our resident ”civil engineer ”
    Please tell me if the following statements make the cut as being civil
    Stop with your misleading

    I know you can’t control your rank-outs,

    That’s because you’re so attuned with yourself – you didn’t read my posts!

    So Mister Know It All – What are my 2 other degrees?!?

    Aren’t you glad that you found out about 1 of my 3 degrees & it didn’t cost you a penny?!?

    Stop with your lying – what do you know about EMS? You’re an eye doc?!?

    Are you Mod 80 along with Kluger yid, Ubiq, Feivel, etc.?
    And I thought only Joseph played these games!

    I guess it’s BORING in the Nursing Home.

    Stop with your lying.

    But if you do, it shows your incompetence!

    So I guess that you’re not that smart – that you can’t remember simple things.

    Either way – do you have 3 degrees to claim you know more medicine than me?!?

    The truth is – I had a case, but since you proved to be a pain to me, for years, I refuse to give it to you for free!!!

    And try to be honest, if you are capable!

    Stop with your lies & sarcasm.

    Tell them to your wife, if you have one.

    Know who the author of them is??
    Someone who goes by the screen name ”health”

    As to your main issue. I must tell you I feel sorry for you.
    After 250+ comments on a thread your issue finally comes out. You claim that hatzolah was negligent in a case involving a family member and that person died and hatzolah did nothing about it.
    You know, had you come right out at the beginning and said that, you probably would have garnered sympathy from many readers, and perhaps someone could have been motivated to try to help you.
    However by now you unfortunately are a proven liar, fulminator and agitator. Nobody with any critical thought abilities gives any credence to your claim.
    I personally think you made it up because the thread got so ridiculous you needed to try to save face.
    Have a wonderful summer

    #1503401

    Health
    Participant

    ky -“You know, had you come right out at the beginning and said that, you probably would have garnered sympathy from many readers, and perhaps someone could have been motivated to try to help you.”

    I’m not interested in anyone’s help. I already posted why I came to this topic. I came to warn people – I know that in most cases – I won’t be believed. Most calls are not life-threating & the one’s that are – you don’t need EMS per se. Nowadays they have Automatic Defibs in shopping malls. They save lives. When s/o calls for EMS, they expect minumum care.
    I hardly seen them work, but in three cases I’ve seen, amongst other cases, they convinced the caller – no transport was needed. One of the cases ended up with a death.
    Btw, do you think I kept quiet about my family’s member’s death?

    #1503411

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Health
    Firstly I commend you on a
    Sane
    Normal
    On topic
    Civil
    Logical
    Response.
    It’s a pleasure.
    You are correct . When I said ”help you” I meant in your quest to make hatzolah better.
    I should have wrote ”perhaps people would have taken your words to heart ”

    No I don’t think you kept quiet. And I also rethought my final comment and decided it was out of bounds.
    But there is no way to unwrite a comment once you push send.
    May hashem send you much simcha and bracha in your life together with the rest of כלל ישראל.
    Have a great summer

    #1503561

    Health
    Participant

    ky -“May hashem send you much simcha and bracha in your life together with the rest of כלל ישראל.”

    Thanks.
    The biggest problem with these orgs. like Hatzola & EN, are the fact that they are volunteer.
    S/o who does this part time can’t be as good as a paid professional.
    I’m waiting for all the responses from the Know It Alls!

    #1503625

    2scents
    Participant

    Health, can you explain this better?

    #1503665

    bk613
    Participant

    S/o who does this part time can’t be as good as a paid professional.

    What I think health is saying (and I agree) is that most Hatzola members don’t have nearly the same experience as someone who works professional ems full time. The same would be true of anything. Someone who does construction as a lparnassa is going to be better at it than someone who does DIY projects on weekends.

    #1503678

    Health
    Participant

    2scents – “Health, can you explain this better?”

    Actually I once read this issue in Jems. If you can’t find it, I’ll explain what I remember!

    #1503698

    klugeryid
    Participant

    I think this argument is wrong.
    The reason a ”professional ” would be better is not because he is getting paid. One does not make one more knowledgeable nor more experienced
    Since hatzolah’s response time is based on having so many members, and since I have never heard anyone claim that calls go unanswered, there would be no difference in the amount of calls taken And therefore no difference in experience.
    So the only difference would be, are they eating donuts between calls or doing something productive.
    If you can make a logical case that being paid to eat donuts makes a better emt, I would love to hear it.
    Until that case is made though, I think that logically speaking, someone who is giving up their time is probably much more dedicated and motivated, than someone who is doing it for the money.
    Anyone in the business world can tell you there are plenty of fully paid workers who do nothing but game the system.
    Judge merit-on merit.
    Don’t take the selflessness of hatzolah members and use it to knock them down

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    ky -“I think this argument is wrong.
    The reason a ”professional ” would be better is not because he is getting paid. One does not make one more knowledgeable nor more experienced”

    This is correct! But your assumption why Paid professionals are better – isn’t.
    Do yourself a favor and read the Jems article. If you can’t find it, come back.

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