I have an acquaintance who is divorced. Her ex is supposed to pay child support and for the yeshivos. He decided that he isn't paying for both anymore. She is working but can't afford tuition herself. She is can't get much goverment help because her ex signed that he would pay. The yeshiva told her to keep the boys at home until she can pay.
I understand the yeshiva needs money, but what does a poor person do? This isn't a yeshiva that charges $10,000 a year. The tuition is about the average.
Does she have to send the kids to public school?
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What to do if you can afford tuition?
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Posted 4 months ago #
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She needs to get a court settlement. Those can usually be enforced.
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Ahh classic yeshivas.. they care more about money thatn a child being Jewish. 10 years from now they're going to be forced to lower their tuition rates Bc this generation has no.money
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"Ahh classic yeshivas.. they care more about money thatn a child being Jewish."
wow.
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How does this have anything to do with the yeshiva? Her ex is the one who's wronging her. If he won't pay amicably out of court and can't be forced into a proper settlement, he should at least leave her some way to get government aid.
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Send the kids to him during the day.
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To KFB: How sad that technology has not yet progressed to the point where you can be virtually drawn and quartered! Your misplaced, misguided, erroneous, cynical and arrogant comment has no place on this web site. Your categorical assassination of many worth people and mosdos are both offensive and stupid. I have been fortunate to share close relationships with many roshei hamosdos and have been privy to countless meetings whereby policy of the very same yeshivos that you attack was set. I have seen many smart and caring people break their heads as to what to do with parents that can not pay tuition, often looking the other way so as not to hurt the child even when the parents should be paying much more than they do. In these mosdos that you refer to, who exactly is getting rich off this money that you say they so desperately crave? I don’t know of one mosed where the rabbaim or roshei hamosdos are properly paid. Almost all struggle and give up on financial security for the chinuch of your children. Most of these mechanchim are in it leshaim shomayin, regardless of what you or others may think. The mosdos don’t look for the money in a business sense, rather for practical survival. Have you ever faced a payroll, counting on the tuition of the parents which as is covers barely 40% of the budget, and simply don’t have the money to pay it? How many times have you experienced the frustration of not being able to pay much deserved salary because of late or non existent tuition from parents who at times spend money in other less important places? The tuition money, once again less than hald of the budget, is going to pay for your childs chinuch. I have yet to see a situation where a parent truly can not pay tuition and the child was sent home. There may be exceptions to the rule, as there always is, but most mosdos are run by smart, caring and well meaning individuals. I’ve been there on the inside, I know! Maybe you know better, I know what I have seen!
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Can't she take legal action against her ex-spouse?
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Harotze: I understand the yeshiva needs money, but what should be done if the family really can't pay? Also, I personally know of 3 yeshivos that send children home. I also know that Prospect Park Yeshiva WILL NOT. It's a hard issue.
One Of Many, yes, her ex should be paying it. It is a legal matter but until then, those yiddishe neshamos were sent home from school. It is a yeshiva matter because these are children that may end up in public school because the mother and her family doesn't have the money and the father and his family wouldn't help. She already sold her leichters the last time the yeshiva wanted to throw the boys out.
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To Harotzehbilumshmo, I must respectfully disagree with you because, if the Yeshivah has a dinner and raises money from sources other than tuition, they, in my opinion, do not have the right to keep a child out of class due to lack of tuition payments. I
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Admit:
1- If 40 % is form tuiton, how are mosdos supposed to cover the other 60 if not coming on to others to help out the shortfall?
2- I fully believe that if the fundraising was successful adn 70% percent came in they would not pocket it, they would use it for the needs of the Yeshiva
3- If I have not been paid in 3 months because my employer ( a mossad) cannot pay me and now I cannot pay my tuition commitment because I have no $$$$,and my kids mosdos call me all the time to pay what should I do? What should they do?Posted 4 months ago # -
admitnothing: Do you think many yeshivos do that type of thing?
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Harotzeh, first of all I'm talking about modern schools which charge 20,000$ and do send.kids home if they cant afford it. Second of all where did you get that 40% of aschools budget is tuition?? Buddy I've worked in these schools before, trust me they would charge even more for tuition but they want some people to attend. I'm telling you in 10 years from now, these schools will be forced to cut their rates.
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Rabbaim- I think you should do shibbuda d'rav nosson.
Mods- Is there any way you can weed out the inappropiate "better-than-thou" comments by bombmaniac? He seems to have a superiority complex caused by pressing "Enter". I am seeing it more and more frequently, and it doesn't serve any purpose in any thread.
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kfb, I don't think you are referring to "classic yeshivas" here...
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She may have to send her kids to another Yeshivah that will be more willing to work with her. I have been there (in terms of my husband and I not being able to afford the tuition), so I know how painful it is for ANY parent. Kal V'chomer for a single mother trying to what's best for her kids. Her ex has a legal obligation al pi halacha to give his kids a Torah education, as well as additional secular obligations to provide child support. So I wish her hatzlacha in putting legal pressure on him to do the right thing.
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First of all, in no way did I intend to intone that a child should be sent home. That is a question for an adam golol and not for me. I too would assume that one may not. I was not even offering an opinion regarding the posters particular story. None of us know the full picture and therefore have no right to an opinion. My post was nothing more than an indignant response to the character assassination of our mosdos hatorah. I am not familiar with the inner workings or ideals of the more modern mosdos and can only speak from experience in what most of us would refer to as mainstream mosdos.
I agree too that once a school fundraises they have an obligation to the tzibur. That said, fundraising is a tedious task that brings in a fraction of what it needs to. There needs to be a system whereby the parents are obligated to make good on their portion.
Additionally, my number of 40% is not across the board. I have personally reviewed the budgets of mosdos and spoken with roshei hamosdos regarding their budget and that seems to be a fair average. Girls school maybe higher, mesivtos sometimes lower. Modern schools or schools with very large classes more, high staff to student ratio less.
Lastly, many, if not most, parents mean well. I can’t tell you though how many parents view paying tuition as a chesed or tzedaka. They would not negotiate a grocery bill or any of other life’s necessities the way they do tuition. Granted, a school which has some communal support is not in the same category as a grocery, but that said, the parents portion of tuition is an obligation and should be treated as such and when schools look to collect they should not be viewed as money hungry.Posted 4 months ago # -
I'm confused by the o/p. The title of the thread is "What to do if you can afford tuition?" If one can afford tuition, you obviously pay it.
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Nu. She meant if you "can" (on paper), but really can't, due to your ex's capriciousness.
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Um..actually, I meant to post "can't pay" but made a typo. A good reason to triple read over before you press "post".
Of the yeshivos that I PERSONALLY know send kids home if the tuition isn't paid, only one is MO. I understand it is a big problem. But what do you do? I have heard of children in Public School because the parents don't have money to pay tuition for all the children. On the other hand, I've heard of a yeshiva that almost had their electricity cut off because there was no money. I personally know of a yeshiva that had a student whose family had big money problems because of illness in the family. That yeshiva heard that a sibling in another yeshiva was going to be thrown out so THEY raised money to pay the other yeshiva.
I don't know the answer. I just know it is a big problem.
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It's a typo, it should be "can't". The mods could correct it.
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