With today's devastating loss of the manhig hador, who is the current manhig hador who will get us through these difficult times?
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Who is the Manhig Hador?
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Posted 10 months ago #
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I have my manhig, you have your manhig, and yennem has his manhig. With the utmost respect, R. Elyashiv was not really your manhig, though he may have been your manhig's manhig (or perhaps the connection was even more attenuated). I imagine your own Rav will decide who to refer major questions to now, assuming he ever referred his questions to R. Elyashiv. In any case, I don't think R. Elyashiv was being manhig anyone for the last year or so, and that those who previously relied on his age direction already chose new poskim, and teachers to fill the void.
Yehi Zichro Baruch. But let us not despair. We have lost leaders before, and new ones are chosen to take their place - often, the new ones already are in place.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I think R Aaron Leib Shteirman fits that description
Posted 10 months ago # -
Choppy
Rav Shteinman
Posted 10 months ago # -
Are we having elections? (IOW, I don't see anything productive coming out of this discussion.)
Posted 10 months ago # -
RSRH: I met Rav Eliashev in late January, and he was answering Shailos as strong as ever. (A few weeks later he went to the hospital for the last time.)
Posted 10 months ago # -
1. This is stupid.
2. It doesn't matter who we think; it matters who the people we listen to think. As RSRH eloquently said.
So you see, nothing has changed for us; I still listen to who I listen to, and you still listen to who you listen to.But, it seems as if Rav Shteinman is currently being listened to by the Israeli chareidi litvish world. So, I guess he's up. I don't think he has the cache that Rav Elyashiv had--yet. Also, I'm not aware that he is a posek the way Rav Elyashiv was.
Posted 10 months ago # -
popa: I don't think Rav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztvk'l was famous for being a posek either, yet he was certainly recognized as the manhig hador.
Posted 10 months ago # -
PBA,
#1 should have precluded a #2.
Posted 10 months ago # -
If Rav Chaim can issue a public letter addressing this issue, I see no reason it isn't a valid topic.
Rav Chaim Kanievsky: Rav Shteinman Is The Manhig HaDor
Posted 10 months ago # -
Rav Ovadiah Yosef shlita as of 4.37PM Israel time, is the current Godol haDor & Manhig haDor.
The Ba'al Mussar haDor clearly is Rav Shlomo Brevda may he have a quick & speedy & full recovery, to recommence his speeches in English to enlighten this weakened generation..
Posted 10 months ago # -
Englishman,
It's valid to quote what R' Chaim has to say on the matter. I just don't want to see people expressing their own opinions on who should or shouldn't be the manhig hador.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Who are we to discuss this complicated question? This is for the newspapers to decide.
Posted 10 months ago # -
oh 147 has spoken. ok guys, lets head on home.
Posted 10 months ago # -
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=130071
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Maran-Ks-letter.jpg [PHOTO OF LETTER FROM R' CHAIM KANIEVSKY SHLITA]
The letter which arrived at the Yated office on Monday, 21 Sivan 5772 from HaGaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita was clear, stating the leadership of the generation has been handed over from Maran Posek HaDor HaGaon HaRav Yosef Sholom Elyashiv Shlita to HaGaon HaRav Aaron Leib Shteinman Shlita,
The rav writes that the ‘hanhagas hador’ has moved to Rav Shteinman, adding the Yated Newspaper started by his father, the Steipler ZATZAL, and Maran Rav Shach ZATZAL, is now under Rav Shteinman’s leadership as well.
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DY: Ad'raba. It is for the generation to choose it's Manhigim. The Manhig or Posek Hador is not always necessarily the one who knows the most Torah. It's the people who know incredible amounts of Torah that the people are drawn to and accept. Now, the K'lal for the most part has chosen to listen to whoever R' Chaim tells them to listen to. But if the K'lal would feel that R' Shteinman is too moderate (you see the Shteinman=Kook graffiti all over Meah Shearim) then people might not be drawn to him even if R' Chaim thinks that he is who we should be listening to.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I don't think we can decide....
Posted 10 months ago # -
It is for the generation to choose it's Manhigim.
Not through discussion; it kind of happens m'meila, and certainly not online in an anonymous forum.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Rav Shmuel Auerbach shlita
(Who said there is only one manhig hador?)
Posted 10 months ago # -
Sam, they had that about Reb Elyashiv z"l as well. This whole Gadol Hador concept is mainly for the yeshivishe crowd, and definitely not for Yerushalmis.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Sam2, democracy is not a Jewish concept.
Achrei Rabim LeHatos among a group of talmidei chachamim deciding Halaha or Din.
But the masses, the people, the "klal" are not always to be followed. They chose Shabtai Zvi!
I liked Haleivi's idea.
Going out to buy a newspaper...Posted 10 months ago # -
I can't beleive no one voted for me yet....
just saying...Posted 10 months ago # -
At the risk of sounding like a parrot, this thread is foolish. It doesn't matter who the manhig hador is. What matters is, who your personal manhig is (I hope I am not guilty in assuming you have a manhig). The manhig hador doesn't answer the shaylos that arise in your kitchen, that come up with respect to the chinuch of your children, your shalom bayis, shidduchim and all other aspects that affect your daily living.
Posted 10 months ago # -
HaLeiVi: The Chasidishe Oilem, just as the Yeshivishe Oilem, have the concept of a Gadol HaDor too. Even if it is done slightly differently.
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DY: Good point.
Posted 10 months ago # -
A minhag doesn't get determined by a rabbi but by the majority. If the majority of people in your town davens in a way you don't normally daven - you have to switch to their way.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Golfer: See what the Abarbanel has to say about "Som Tasim Alecha Melech".
Posted 10 months ago # -
I heard from my rabbeim that klal yisroel chooses the gedolim/manhigim. obviously, this doesn refer to people that dont take halacha and yiras shomayim seriously. so i guess we'l see who becomes the new address for klal yisroels shailos and thats how we'll know.
Posted 10 months ago # -
golfer:
Democracy is a very, very Jewish concept. Learn through the hundreds of teshuvos dealing with kehillos - elections, taxes, legislation of takkanos ha-kahal, choosing poskim and dayanim, punishment, individuals freedom and their obligation to the community.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Repahrim: I don't think that's true. Source?
Posted 10 months ago # -
Manhig Hador
Who coined that term? And what is the relationship between an ordinary individual (whatever that means) and whoever the Manhig Hador is?
Posted 10 months ago # -
gadol hador occurs in the gemara in relation to someone who can be dan yechidi
Hashem showed Adam the manhigim of every generation
Posted 10 months ago # -
HaLeiVi
This whole Gadol Hador concept is mainly for the yeshivishe crowd, and definitely not for Yerushalmis.Actually this entire concept, leHavdil Eleph Havdolos, is for catholics, who specifically elect a pope to be their official manhig.
Posted 10 months ago # -
what is the relationship between an ordinary individual and whoever the Manhig Hador is?
Like a father to a son. Or a Rebbe to a Talmid.
Posted 10 months ago # -
@sam2 I don't remember the source, could be the shulchan auruch, ask a rav im sure he will know.
It's like that popular story where it was a rabbi vs. a court of rabbis were arguing about the halacha. So lone rabbi says if im wrong let the (im using fake examples cuz i don't remember what they really are) let the walls bend(though i think this one was real), and the walls bent. But the court still said you're wrong, the rabbi then said let this happen and that happen and it all happened but the court still rejected his claim. So he asks them how can you deny me even after even heaven shows that it is on my side. They simply respond that even if you ARE right you are still wrong because we are the majority and you have to follow us.
And I think there was a commentary on this story saying that when this happened Hashem was smiling in heaven and said my children won against my torah....or something like that. I probably missed a lot of detail and butchered the story horribly but that's the gist of it.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Repharim: That story is Bava Metzia 59b, if I recall correctly. And that has nothing to do with a Minhag. And I can guarantee you that it says nowhere in the SH"A that a person who comes to a new community has to change his Nusach Hat'fillah. I believe I recall seeing a T'shuvah which says the opposite of your claim, but I can't recall where. I'll look.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Never mind that - Now that R' Eliyashiv zt"l was niftar, who will be the new Fiveish of Va'ad Harabannim????
Posted 10 months ago # -
rav shteiman
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