Why people become OTD (with the focus on the "why")

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  • #1164903
    Sparkly
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    zahavasdad – their are yeshivish people who drive. you dont have to be mo to drive. and mo is nothing like reform.

    #1164904
    zahavasdad
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    many Chaddish women dont drive.

    But I think you missed the point, there are things that are really takanas not Halachas and they do drive people away. We are not supposed to veer from the torah from the left or the right. People have no problem not veering to the left, but the veer to the right all the time and sometimes too much

    #1164905
    zahavasdad
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    #1164906
    absan
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    One of the problems today is we want to understand the why….when we say ani mamin we say we beleive …not we understand..and thats the difference between jews and non jews…non jews will do what has meaning for them what they understand..but with us jewish people one of our greatness is we beleif… if we do or dont understand…we follow the tora because Hashem says, I dont have to understand the why…an example look at our forfathers abraham ,he had 10 major nisyounas ,he had a lot of questions especialy when he was told to bring his son for a sacrafice…but..his greatness was ..he did not understand..and didnt ask questions..and just went to do hashems wish…how beautiful was this in hashems eyes that till today we still cherish that zachis…let his zachis help us we should beable to withstand our nisyonas in our days..amein

    #1164907
    Sparkly
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    zahavasdad – which is why they get stranded at walmart and have either me or some other nice frum girl come get them. they better get themselves a license and car.

    #1164908
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Sparky: “lilmod ulelamaid – if you knew what i go thru and i still am frum and what i went thru and still am frum than you wouldnt say well they have issues and so on believe me i know MANY girls who went otd who had much better lives than me.”

    Sparky, you don’t really know that they had better lives than you. There are so many things you can’t and don’t know. There are so many factors involved. Also, even if they had better lives than you, they may have been faced with nisyonos that you weren’t.

    #1164909
    Sparkly
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    lilmod ulelamaid – i still doubt it.

    #1164910
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “Al tadun es chaveircha ad shetagia l’mkomo”

    #1164911
    zahavasdad
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    I dont know if this person went OTD or not , but I know of someone who was beaten and neglected by their mother and now lives in a Foster Home.

    #1164912
    Sparkly
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    lilmod ulelamaid – okay. but im just saying that if that person actually believed in Hashem then they wouldnt have gone otd.

    #1164913
    apushatayid
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    I’ve seen it. Several times. Often accompanied by the line “dyslexics of the world, untie”.

    #1164914
    absan
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    sparkly.. I beleive you went through the worst that you can imagine..it must of been the impossible…but one thing for sure be PROUD of yourself that you passed or are still passing your nisoin and you stayed close to hashem!!!!you shall be the one to cherish one day your rewards…hashem knows every ones challanges every ones thoughts every split secound …and nothing stays in vain…hashem is close to the ones that are close to him especialy in times of challange…just keep it up and be strong…

    #1164915
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Sparkly, I know people who believe in Hashem and are OTD. They want to come back and many do.

    At the same time, I second Absan’s post. Yasher Koach to you for staying Frum! The harder your challenges were, the greater your reward will be. And the reward is unbelievably great to begin with even w/o challenges!!!

    #1164916
    Sparkly
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    absan – amen i actually still am in the nisayon unfortunately. i dont think ill be out of the nisayon till im like at least 30.

    #1164917
    Lightbrite
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    Some people stay frum because of all the challenging nisayons they have been through. Holding onto their yiddishkeit gives their struggle meaning.

    #1164918
    Sparkly
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    lightbrite – some people its because they have such strong emunah in Hashem.

    #1164919
    absan
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    the truth…we cant take a breath without hashems wish…so how is it possible to turn away from the one who gives you life …

    #1164920
    Sparkly
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    absan – finally someone realized what i was trying to say….

    #1164921
    absan
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    oh! thank you Sparkly feel free anytime…

    #1164922
    Sparkly
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    absan – no problem.

    #1164923
    Joseph
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    So this Nishma that did this so-called survey discussed in the OP, is effectively an agent of Footsteps ym’s. Today Nishma shot out an e-mail as follows:

    We are reaching out to you because, as a participant earlier this year in the “Survey of Those Who are Questioning, Leaving, or Have Left an Orthodox Community,” you indicated your willingness to take part in additional research.

    We would like to invite you to participate in a quick (5 to 7 minutes) survey. One area the earlier survey explored related to the support people found when they left their community of origin, or were considering it. Footsteps is exploring ways to better serve this population, and that’s where you can provide additional information about your experience.

    This survey is being administered by Nishma Research and your individual responses will not be shared with Footsteps.

    Mark T.

    Nishma Research

    Then as you start taking Nishma’s new survey it advises you that:

    Footsteps supports individuals who are contemplating leaving, insular ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in their quest to lead self-determined lives.

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