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    Torah613Torah
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    A Jew who doesn’t keep Shabbos makes his own wine. Can he drink it?

    #941185

    playtime
    Member

    What would the ??? be?

    #941186

    Sam2
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    Machlokes Haposkim. Many hold yes for a few reasons. Some do hold that he can’t.

    #941187

    kwaiker
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    What are the reasons cited by some who hold he can?

    #941188

    playtime
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    kwaiker- I don’t understand the reason why he cannot drink it. What would the ??? be? He knows everything he did with it- unless he has no ?????? to believe himself?!?

    weird q altogether

    #941189

    popa_bar_abba
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    Sam: What if he is a mumar l’hachiis for a davar echod, and that davar echod is that he drinks yayin nessech.

    Can he drink his own wine?

    #941190

    fkelly
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    If he doesn’t keep shabbos then he most probably isn’t worried about drinking yayin nesech.

    #941191

    playtime
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    fkelly- the question be, does he get an extra Aveira for it.

    #941192

    musser zoger
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    it would be stam yaynom…not yayin nesech.

    Edited.

    #941193

    Sam2
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    Talmud: Part of this Machlokes is whether someone without Ne’emanus has Ne’emanus for themselves.

    This Shaila is very Nogea L’ma’aseh at the Seder, by the way. If you have a guest who is a Mechalel Shabbos B’farhesia, can you pour him a glass of non-Mevushal wine or is it Lifnei Iver because he will touch it before drinking it?

    #941194

    playtime
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    Sam2- where is this machlokes? never learnt Nazir.

    #941195

    Torah613Torah
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    So what is the answer? This is halacha l’maaseh btw (although since it seems to be such a machlokes, I’m going to have to call a Rav about it…)

    #941196

    Sam2
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    Talmud: Start with the Nosei Keilim (I don’t think it’s any major ones) by Bishul Akum and whether that applies to a Mechalel Shabbos B’farhesia. I think it begins to be referenced around there. I don’t recall who says what off the top of my head.

    #941197

    Sam2
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    t613: How is it actually L’ma’aseh? Unless you plan on having a Mechalel Shabbos B’farhesia at your Seder table and plan on serving non-Mevushal wine, in which case ask your Rav. Or just buy Mevushal.

    #941198

    Torah613Torah
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    Your parents make their own wine for Pesach use. My partner in Torah came up with this question.

    #941199

    kwaiker
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    How is it lmaaisa? Her parents are mechallel Shabbos? Even so, she cannot do anything to stop her parents from drinking their wine. So where’s the lmaaisa?

    #941200

    Chacham
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    I once heard that when REb Elchonon was in America someone told him he works on shabbos but lmaaseh he doesn’t trust anybody in americas shchita so he wanted to shecht his own meat. HE asked if the psul of the shechita of a mechalel shabbos is a psul in neemanus or a psul in the chalois shechita.

    #941201

    Torah613Torah
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    Kwa – Say they are at the Seder. And they make their own wine just for Pesach.

    #941202

    Torah613Torah
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    The psak I got was to not tell her it could be a problem.

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