October 2, 2017 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #1377601
Hi to all!
I would like to receive some information regarding Rav Kaplan’s Yeshiva.
Is it as pressured as people say it is? Is it a pressure from the bachurim or from the hannallah?
How many bachurim learn in this Yeshiva?
Does the Rosh Yeshiva have any saychus with the bachurim? Does he know what is going on ?
Please provide what you know.October 2, 2017 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #1377628
Between the bochrim and the kollel yungerleit around 350 (all from chutz laretz). It is not pressured but “structured”. They don’t go on tiyulim. You are there to learn. You have to adhere to the schedule of the yeshiva. The shiurim are in yiddish and most bochurim who do not speak yiddish going in tend to take 6 months to adjust to yiddish.
Does the Rosh Yeshiva have any shaychus with the bachurim? Does he know what is going on ?
Very much, yes. He knows every bochur in the yeshiva and what is the best for that bochur.
Not only does the Rosh Yeshiva have shaychus with the bochurim, but so does his father, brothers and brother-in-laws. From what I understand, his father and mother host 2 – 4 of the bochurim for the shabbos seuda on a regular basis (arranged by the Rosh Yeshiva).October 2, 2017 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #1377639
Is there a peer pressure in between the bachurim?October 2, 2017 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #1377640
But they only learn Kodshim.. Brisker styleOctober 2, 2017 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #1377647
Yes, that is why its called Yeshivas Kodshim.October 3, 2017 6:29 am at 6:29 am #1377695
I have not heard that there is peer pressure between the bochrim. IMO, they look out for each other and find ways to help each other. I know a family where three of the daughters married bochurim from the yeshiva….2 of the shidduchim redd by someone in the yeshiva.October 3, 2017 6:29 am at 6:29 am #1377696
They are currently learning a mesechta in Kodshim (I think Mesechta Krisus).October 3, 2017 7:34 am at 7:34 am #1377675
When asked how he knows every bochur (hundreds) so well, Rav Zvi replied, “when you daven for each bochur three times a day, you get to know them.”
When a bochur had to be hospitalized with a serious infection, I believe, Rav Zvi spent nights with him in the hospital (perhaps until a parent was able to come from the states.
Any bochur whose oifruf is in the Yeshiva, the Yeshiva hosts the entire kiddush for hundreds of guests. The Rebbetzin, who is a granddaughter of the Brisker Rav, and her children, spend hours preparing, maasering food, for the kiddush.
Rav Zvi teaches to have utmost respect for ones parents, not only through example, but by insisting, for example, that a bochur who is becoming engaged to a girl from Eretz Yisroel, that he may not, under any circumstances, announce the engagement until the patents arrive and meet the kallah and the family even if they knew each other before.October 3, 2017 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1377777
From what I hear, every bochur in the yeshiva can have a great shuychus with the Rosh Yeshiva.
Just so that you know – there is a lot of pressure. The standards of hasmadah are higher than most similar Yeshivas, and it is expected that you shtell Tzu to that. The shiur room gets locked during shiur; if you need the bathroom, you have to ask the Rosh Yeshiva for the key to get out. On Motze Shabbos, the Rosh Yeshiva gives schmooze for up to three hours at a time. Last zman, he even gave an “emergency schmooze” for all the bochurim and yungerliet, bemoaning the terrible yeridah that bochurim now use the bathroom in the middle of seder, and forbidding it except for emergency cases.
Many people thrive under the pressure – I have friends who learnt in R’ Tzvi’s, whose attitude to learning totally changed – currently some of the biggest masmidim I know. For those who can cope, the demanding and exacting standards force you to rise to heights you didn’t know you had or never had the zitzfleish to reach. For others, however, it can be a little too stifling. (There are not many avenues of outlet there)October 3, 2017 10:20 am at 10:20 am #1377765
So you are saying there is no inner pressure- just structure.
Is it easy to get into him to discuss issues, learning etc?
Is it true that he always checks the bachurims seforim to see what they are learning?October 3, 2017 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #1377852
There are yeshivas (for instance: the amazing Patterson Yeshiva, Shaar HaTorah, and others) where there are charts of top guys and there is an extreme pressure in between the bachurim to be “chal”. (This happens a lot in smaller batei medrashim.)
Is Rav Tzvi’s Yeshiva like that?October 3, 2017 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #1377874
My son has never mentioned that R’ Tzvi checks his seforim or that he feels any “pressure”. He came from a Telzer structure here in the US and was able to adapt to R’ Tzvi’s derech.
Yes, his post shalosh seudas drasha can go 2 or 3 hours but I don’t believe that the bochurm are required to attend.
As for locking the door when R’ Tzvi starts shiur….it forces the bochurim to come on time.October 3, 2017 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #1378127
Whats this 3 hour shuir for?October 3, 2017 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #1378147
A 3 minute or 3 hour shiur/shmooz/dvar torah etc. is for the same purpose….to instruct and share daas torah with the listeners…..the same inyan can be addressed by magid shiur A versus magid shiur B in vastly different ways and levels of detail and repetition ….sometimes, what was expected to be a relatively brief 30-45 minute shiur can go on for an hour or two simply because the rav may have interim thoughts tangential to his main point that he wishes to share, the talmidim take him off on some tangent or he wishes to drill down into much greater detail to make the same point in different waysOctober 3, 2017 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1378181
R’ Tzvi gives his weekly chumash shiur after seuda shlishi. It can go as long as three hours but is usually less (90 minutes to 2 hours).
GH: I am not sure that your description applies to R’ Tzvi’s shiur. I have never heard from my son what you describe.October 3, 2017 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1378319
I think the Motze Shabbos shiur is the classic Brisker “Chumash Shiur”. Based on the weekly Parshah, he presents a blend of both relevant lomdus, diyukim, and hashkafic lessons that can be drawn from the parsha.October 4, 2017 12:37 am at 12:37 am #1378397
Just saying, I don’t think R’ Tzvi Kaplan has a very bright view of R’ Ovadia Yosef and his shittos. So if you’re a real R’ Ovadianik, oing to a Brisker yeshiva might be a bit of a culture clash.October 4, 2017 1:07 am at 1:07 am #1378410
What the level of Yeshivishkeit there?October 4, 2017 1:08 am at 1:08 am #1378421
Rav Tzvis Yeshiva has 350 people, about a third yungerleit. There is no mainstream yeshiva for americans in Eretz Yisroel that takes better care of a bochur then Rav Tzvi. He is so warm personal and caring for each and every bochur, always on top of everyones personal wellbeing. he treats the boys just like a father, and ready to go out of his way to do anything for a bochurs need. there is no pressure from him or from your suroundings, just a happy friendly place where everyone likes.October 10, 2017 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #1380052
To MW 13
I was never a big fan of the politicial commentary of R’ Ovadia , Z’TL but I never questioned his lamdus Nor would I imagine that R’ Kaplan thinks Chacham Ovadia wasn’t “bright” or has negative views of his shitos on a generic basisOctober 10, 2017 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #1380049
I sit true that more out of towners go there?October 10, 2017 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #1380067
What do you mean by “out-of-town”? Since he and the yeshiva are in Yerushalayim and he only accepts people from Chutz La’aretz, everyone is out-of town. His yeshiva has bochurim from the US, the UK, Canada, Mexico, France, Australia….October 10, 2017 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1380085
Meaning the type of people from Passaic, Queens, Baltimore etc. over Lakewood, Boro Park, Flatbush etc.October 10, 2017 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1380087
Having learned by Reb Tzvi for a number of years, I can say there is pressure, but not in a stifling way. I never heard him speak against any individual. He honestly worries about every talmid in the yeshiva, and isn’t afraid to give them mussar if he feel they can gain from it. He also takes a personal interest in every Bochur and Yungerman, often paying for extras, like beit Hachalama for their wives after birth, and even sometimes presents for a bochur’s Kallah which his parents didn’t pay for.
as for locking the door for shiur, in five years, I was never locked out and I never had to walk out.October 10, 2017 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1380114
By the way, the three hour chumash shiur was entertaining, and never felt like a burden.October 10, 2017 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #1380120
Queens is out of town??????? To my knowledge R’ Tzvi doesn’t favor location over another.October 10, 2017 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #1380124
mw13, all Brisk yeshivos don’t have bright view of R’ Ovadia Yosef and his shittos?October 10, 2017 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #1380126
yerushalmi in exile—-Is there peer pressure?October 15, 2017 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1380527
If there was, I never noticed it.
It would better be said that the culture of the yeshiva is to learn and to be into the learning, everyone likes to fit in.
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