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Patrick Buchanan and Ron Paul are really the only two true anti-Semites prominent in American politics today. Yet they are being promoted on a frum site? Clearly some of our commenters here are completely assimilated into the Torah of Ayn Rand.
“Koufax did not refuse to pitch on Yom Kippur. He was spared that since Don Drysdale would have normally pitched in the rotation that day. “
Never did Koufax pitch on Yom Kippur. He sat out important games in both 1961 and 1966, and the Dodgers lost both games.
Koufax had pitched on October 2, 1965, allowing 4 hits and 1 run as the Dodgers defeated the Milwaukee Braves, 3-1, clinching the National League Pennant. The World Series started October 6, 1965. Back then, pitchers pitched every four days and managers tried to get their best pitcher to pitch the first, fourth, and seventh (if necessary) games of the World Series. But October 6 was 10 Tishrei.
You may be thinking of 1966. Koufax had been scheduled to pitch September 24, 1966, but that was Yom Kippur; the Dodgers lost 4-0 to the Chicago Cubs and yet another future Hall of Famer, Ferguson Jenkins, still the only Canadian in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Koufax had pitched the last game of the season, the second game of a doubleheader, on Sunday, October 2, 1966, which the Dodgers needed to win to clinch the Pennant. They defeated Philadelphia, 3-1. (The losing pitcher was future Baseball Hall of Famer and US Senator Jim Bunning.) Koufax had also pitched three days earlier, on Thursday September 29, as the Dodgers defeated the St. Louis Cardinals, 2-1. Ordinarily Koufax would not have pitched on two days rest, but when it was win or nothing, you do desperate things. (The Dodgers had lost the two games in between, and Koufax had pitched and won Game 7 of the 1965 World Series on two days rest.) Drysdale had lost the first game of the doubleheader, pitching only 2 innings, so he started Game 1 of the World Series on two days rest, losing 5-2 to Baltimore. Koufax pitched Game 2 of the 1966 World Series on the usual three days rest and the Dodgers lost 6-0 thanks in part to some awful defensive play; the winning pitcher was a not-quite-21-year-old named Jim Palmer who would also end up in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Nobody knew it at the time but it would be the last game Koufax would ever pitch.
defently not palin or bachman i personaly think that a woman cant take this job no matter if her name is clinton or she has a down sindrome h”y i think christie,rubio or scot walker would be great cause we need now some big lion fighters
For the office of 45th President of the United States, 2013-2021:
1. Michael Dale “Mike” Huckabee
2. Newton Leroy “Newt” Gingrich
3. Herman Cain (conservative values and a division of the black vote will hinder Obama)
For the office of 48th Vice President of the United States, 2013-2021:
1. John Ellis “Jeb” Bush (the former governor of Florida may draw its 29 voted; his wife is Mexican
2. Marco Antonio Rubio (as Florida’s junior Senator, he’d attract Florida, and as a Cuban-American, he’d draw the Hispanic vote, which is an enormous bloc)
3. Gen. David Howell Petraeus (as the symbol of American success in Afghanistan and Iraq, he could be the new “Ike”)
Note: My preferences for the Presidency are actually
a) John Ellis “Jeb” Bush
b) Michael Dale “Mike” Huckabee
c) Gen. David Howell Petraeus
However, since both Bush and Petraeus have stated that they do not wish to run for the nation’s highest office, I have had to adjust my list of preferences. Nonetheless, I have included both persons in my list of choices for the Vice Presidency, as it remains a possibility that they will allow themselves to be coaxed into running for the office of President of the Senate.
As for charliehall‘s original post in this thread, I am indeed worried about Allan J. Lichtman’s Keys to the White House. Then I remind myself that ultimately, HaShem Yisborach is in charge.
Why has nobody mentioned Mitch Daniels?
davehirsch- Glad to see there’s someone here who realizes that Daniels is clearly the best choice for president. I always find it funny when the media discusses all the “baggage ” potential candidates have. It goes something like this: “Ginrich and Trump have their marriage issues, Romeny has RomneyCare, Pawlenty is too dull and a little too into the green stuff, Huckabee pardoned a killer and is not conservative enough on immigration, and Daniels was caught with pot in the 1970s.” It’s hilarious that is the dirt they come up with on Daniels, he was caught with pot 30 years ago!! That’s how you know he’s the best choice for president. I agree with all that you wrote except I would prefer a Daniels/Ryan ticket. No better people than these two to tackle the budget.
Hillary Clinton
Donald Trump
davehirsch- I hear what you’re saying about Rubio, you may be right that Daniels needs someone like him as a running mate. However, I disagree with you about Daniels’ lack of charisma. The way I define charisma is that when that person speaks I want to hear everything he has to say. The media likes to call Obama charismatic, but for the life I me I can’t understand why. When he starts to speak I have no interest in hearing what he has to say, and the amount of “uhs” he uses really irks me. This has nothing to do with his policies, I could listen to Clinton speak for hours even though I can’t stand his policies. Daniels, on the other hand, has something to him that make you want to hear what he has to say. As George Will put it, he has the charisma of competence. Also, it’s true that he’s short, but he is a very good-looking put together fellow, and I don’t think looks will be an issue.
davehirsch- I hear what you’re saying about Rubio, you may be right that Daniels needs someone like him as a running mate. However, I disagree with you about Daniels’ lack of charisma. The way I define charisma is that when that person speaks I want to hear everything he has to say. The media likes to call Obama charismatic, but for the life I me I can’t understand why. When he starts to speak I have no interest in hearing what he has to say, and the amount of “uhs” he uses really irks me. This has nothing to do with his policies, I could listen to Clinton speak for hours even though I can’t stand his policies. Daniels, on the other hand, has something to him that make you want to hear what he has to say. As George Will put it, he has the charisma of competence. Also, it’s true that he’s short, but he is a very good-looking put together fellow, and I don’t think looks will be an issue.
Dave Hirsch:
That’s actually a pretty darn good question, and I don’t think my weak answers would suffice. But I’ll attempt to anyhow.
1. I miswrote when I said I’d put Petraeus in my Presidential lineup. Put Cain there instead.
2. Frankly, our bellicose-pacifist President hasn’t got a clue about the world, and while some of the Governors are great, they don’t have foreign policy experience.
3. Although I am indeed highly conservative (to be precise, a right-wing Reaganomics-slash-Bush Doctrine neoconservative), I am so sick of Obama that I’d even vote for Lieberman or McCain.
4. As Congress wages war, a military tiebreaker might help.
5. This one is funny, but… Petraeus looks like a President.
My ideal ticket would be Huckabee or Cain running with one of the Floridians. However, it would be a problem with Huckabee, as he is a resident of Florida.
The problem with Huckabee being a Florida resident is that if he runs with one of the Florida residents (I refer to Rubio and Bush – Scott isn’t well liked in FL), the Florida electors would not be allowed to vote for both of them, as per the Constitution.
In regards to answer 3, my reasoning was sort of like your postscript – Petraeus is electable.
In regards to answer 2, the difference between Reagan’s era and now is that it was then a Cold War, not a physical one.
” Don’t worry about Lichtman’s Keys to the White House. I leave these theories up to liberal professors (in the likes of our fellow member Charlie Hall”
ROTF!!!
While Lichtman *is* indeed a liberal, the last time the Lichtman keys failed was 1856. He predicted both the Bush 2004 and the Obama 2008 wins far in advance and predicted an Obama 2012 win last summer.
Of all the mentionees here on the Republican side, I think Daniels would be the best candidate and a serious threat to Obama. He is a true believer right wing conservative but he also understands that government is needed — and he doesn’t go out of his way to offend people the way Chris Christie does. And Indiana is in pretty good fiscal shape today; he would certainly carry his home state, which Obama carried in 2008. (The last time that a candidate lost his home state but still managed a victory was 1916, and there is no way that Mitt Romney is going to carry Massachusetts.) The trouble for Daniels is that the reason Indiana is in pretty good fiscal shape today is that Daniels raised the sales tax, and that will kill him with Republican primary voters. The Tea Partiers who want to destroy government rather than to make it work better won’t accept that.
On the other extreme, I suspect that Trump or Palin might lose 49 states to Obama. (Trump could lose 50.)
Looking at things state by state, it is pretty hard to see Republicans switching enough states from 2008 to defeat Obama in 2012 — and Republican governors in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Florida are a major reason for that. Paul Ryan’s attempt to end Medicare as we know it has probably killed Republican chances in Florida.
“as Florida’s junior Senator, he’d attract Florida,”
Maybe if he could get Rick Scott to resign. He has really tarnished the Republican brand there. And Ryan’s plan to End Medicare As We Know It will be a huge weight on Republicans in any state with a lot of elderly voters.
” and as a Cuban-American, he’d draw the Hispanic vote, which is an enormous bloc”
Voters of other Hispanic ethnicities vote the opposite of Cuban-Americans.
BTW, add Pennsylvania to the states where an unpopular governor may be tarnishing Republican prospects. According to a recent PublicPolicyPolling survey, Corbett’s favorability is now at 34%. Toomey is doing even worse, 32%.
New here. Republican since I started voting; I do not understand how any Jew could have voted for this past ticket.
My choice for 2012 – Col. Allen West/Marco Rubio.
I think Christie would be a great President, but he’s said many times that he’s not interested in running. I would go with whoever the polls say has the best chance of beating Obama, regardless of what I think of him/her.
charliehall:
As for Rubio, I am indeed worried about Scott’s tarnished reputation. That’s why I think Jeb Bush is a better choice than Rubio. After all, he is the only Republican governor of Florida to have won two terms.
Your point about the separate voting tendencies of Cubans and Mexicans is well-taken. However, it may be a rather different scenario if a Latino is actually ON the national ticket.
zen3344:
Ill say it again: the Constitution, both in its original form and as delineated in the Twelfth Amendment, expressly forbids Presidential electors from placing both their ballots for a resident of their State. Cheney got away with it by registering as a resident of Wyoming, which he had represented in Congress (like George W. Bush, he was a Texan). If Allen West would run with Marco Rubio, it would mean the loss of 29 electoral votes for one of them.
Dave Hirsch- As someone who has similar political views as you do (although I have a feeling I’m a little more conservative than you), i was curious which of the republican contenders you would not vote for against Obama. I know I would vote for Obama over Ron Paul. I keep changing my mind if I would pick Trump over Obama. Right now I’m thinking I would probably would pick Trump. It’ll be a hail mary, chances are it’s a really bad idea, but who knows maybe this is what’s going to save our country.
“My conviction is that Donald Trump’s shift in issues is as fraudulent as Obama’s birth certificate. “
Dave:
Obama released his full long-form birth certificate today.
MOSHIACH!!
I want either Huckabee or Gingrich as pres. And Palin as VP.
Ron Paul has put out overtly anti-Semitic material in his publications. He and his son are trying to end US aid to Israel. I hope we can all agree that they are both beyond the pale.
Charlie: Regarding the son, opposing foreign aid is “beyond the pale”?
Hey Charlie – Wouldn’t you agree that my picks are more pro Israel, than Mr. Obama?
Ron and Rand Paul want to end all foreign aid to every country including Israel. He’s not singling out the Jews like some of the people on the left who want to “stop funding the occupation”
But ending aid to everyone (including Israel)is fine with me, when you take aid from a country that does not have your best interests at heart then all you are doing is giving them control over your internal decisions that best suits their needs. It’s better to cut the purse strings and do things your way.
One of these days maybe “our people” will wake up and realize that not every conservative white xtian male is out get them.
Hey evryone do you think barack hussein Obama is gonna win For 2012??
Dave Hirsch:
Correct. But zen3344 mentioned Allen West, not Mike Huckabee.
Also, relying on the Senate is playing with fire.
Charles Lindbergh / Father Coughlin
Dave – Why go with Pawlenty? He is as famous as Huckabee. At least Huckabee had enough Sechel to give it up. The only one that has a chance to beat Romney is Gingrich. If Romney wins the GOP, he will lose to Obama. Centrist candidates can’t bring out the vote of the conservatives and Obama will win again. I do feel Gingrich has a chance against Obama. The conservatives will wake up and vote for him because they don’t want another 4 years of Obama, but they ain’t coming out in force for Romney!
Dave – Our Gov. (C.C.) says he isn’t running and I believe him. Even if Paw would be the most honest man in America, he still doesn’t stand a chance because he’s a no-name. If Gingrich gets back to the way he used to be as Speaker, I think the conservatives could fall behind him. But if it’s Romney, be prepared for another four years of Obama!
Unfortunately, with all the names mentioned in this thread, there’s not one who could beat Obama if the election was held right now. By this point 4 years ago, it was clearly Hillary and Rudy as the frontrunners, so a lot can still happen. But my biggest concern is that the GOP has failed to come up with anyone who is a serious contentder, and that also has the ability to be a unifier. The idea of Obama has a lame duck is even scarier then Obama is this first term.
I have chosen my dream ticket for 2012:
Former Florida governor John Ellis “Jeb” Bush for President
Head of CENTCOM David Howell Petraeus for Vice President
An idea I had, though admittedly highly unpopular, would be to put up a moderate third-party ticket of, say, Joe Lieberman and John McCain. This would make it more likely that no candidate would receive a majority of the Electoral College, which would throw it to the House of Representatives. Being that 31 of the House congressional delegations are GOP-held, the Republican would be elected.
I think the only chance of the repubs winning is if they put up a staunch conservative. I don’t think anyone mentioned by you or anybody running is within that catergory. Maybe S. Palin, but the hypocritical media who loves women and minorities, made her look like a fool, which she can’t possibly reverse. They only like minorities and women who are libs. If you’re not a lib, then all this equality stuff goes out the window. Gingrich used to be that way, but I think he’s been out of politics too long and he’s a bit mellow. Yet, he still might turn himself around. My reasoning is because you see from the last election -if it’s between two guys in the middle, even though Obama really isn’t in the middle, the dems will win. The only chance for the repubs to win is if they pull out a conservative, so their conservative base will come out in droves to vote.
I’ve pretty much settled on my choices.
For President:
1. Richard John “Rick” Santorum
2. Timothy James “Tim” Pawlenty
3. Herman Cain
4. Newton Leroy “Newt” Gingrich
For Vice President:
1. Eric Cantor
2. Allen West
Any opinions?
Rick Perry.
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