Your “friend” in Bava Bathra

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    MDG
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    My Daf Yomi partner notices that the Misnayot often start with selling something to “Chavero”, his friend. He asked me a good question today.

    What’s pshat with the word Chavero? Why chaver and not another word?

    Does anyone have any insight?

    #1263333

    Meno
    Participant

    There’s a mishna in Sukkah that talks about buying a sh’mittah esrog from “chaveiro”. Rashi there points out that the word chaveiro means that the buyer and seller both have the same status (i.e. either both am ha’aretz or both talmid chochom) which has halachic significance in that case.

    Don’t know if that helps for Bava Basra.

    #1263337

    MDG
    Participant

    A couple ideas I had is that there is maybe a difference between a Ben Brit and an Akum, although I think that’s a bad answer.

    Alternatively, I was thinking from a more mussardik standpoint. When you do business, treat the other person as your friend. Treat him fairly, at least.

    #1263377

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    כל ישראל חברים

    #1263441

    Alizgit
    Participant

    A “Chaver” is a very important distinction in the context of Trumos and Massros as well as tumah. Possibly (l’fi aniyas dyti), Rebbi used the same term elsewhere:
    (i) for uniformity;
    (ii) because if its not a chaver there may be issues like bechor, maaser etc…;
    (iii) it was used as that would be whom a person would be doing business with; or
    (iv) its pleasant to use a term of endearment as we should think of our business associates and interactions as being among friends (e.g., trust, honesty).

    #1263654

    rebbi1
    Participant

    Usually the term חבירו refers to another person/item similar to the first one. In בבא קמא it uses the term by two animals. So it doesn’t mean friend necessarily.

    #1263807

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    If the discussion would be about the seller then you’d be right, it should just say ˋone who sells`. However, we are discussing both the buyer and the seller.

    #1264129

    (MDG – thanks for stopping in!)

    #1264252

    MDG
    Participant

    Thank you, Mod-29

    #1269495

    ZZZ
    Participant

    See Shabbos Daf 150. The Mishna uses word Chaveiro and Rav Papa explained it to mean Chaveiro Akum. See also Sefas Emes beginning of that Perek.

    #1375187

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    I think that it’s time that this thread be closed.

    #1376290

    Why, because you assume his post closed yours? A bit overreactive…..sorry.

    #1387764

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    But I was right, wasn’t I?

    #1387937

    MDG
    Participant

    RY,

    Please explain what you are referring to. Which thread?

    #1468874

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If you have to apologize for saying something, it’s better not to say it.

    #1470316

    laskern
    Participant

    Maybe it means a connection לשון חיבור through our נשמה look at גיליוני השס in Shabbos 150 above by ZZZ.

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