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Ujm, let’s be honest — if not for the the Israel’s government money (and the Zionists building up the economy), the kollel system there would not have been able to exist. Let us be honest. Was there such a system in Russia or Poland 150 years ago?!?
LT, a miracle like kriyas Yam Suf?!? Yeh, sure. Obviously, you can’t take this guy seriously. And do re-read my post about ISIS!“The last 75 years saw less Jews killed” than any other period since Churbun — absolutely false! Over 20,000 were murdered. Between 1805 and 1880 it did not happen. Learn the Jewish history!
LT, about the casualty rate: ISIS wanted to fight urban warfare against Americans – to inflict casualties on them. They did not want to fight against the Israelis because they deemed the Israelis to be well-trained in that type of combat.
The article was an American one from 20 years ago – from the Americans who thought you could not create such a system! the statement from the staffer does not imply a neis golui! And I never said that no nissim ever happened in E. Yisroel in the last 70 years.HaLevi, you mean the “New methodology…” Rand’s article? I could not easily access it (the Adobe reader does not work well). It is an American article from 1994! Why don’t you bring something from 1916? At the beginning of the 90-s the Israelis suggested creating a missile defense system, the Americans said it was doomed to fail. So, the article fits with the whole discussion.
LT, so far you are the only person that I hear this from. Are you an aerospace engineer? Nobody else is saying this. Okay, by some people everything is a neis nigle.
And what happened with the nissin on October 7?LT, is the Iron Dome performance also a miracle? An open one?
LT, is that professor a Mizrachi kanoi? At most, it was a neis nistar. An open miracle is something totally she’lo ke’derech ha’teva! get it through your head! And, again, I do not know how unusual it really was. There are people I do not trust about such a situation. Again, Ukraine’s air-defences are NOT on the same level like the Israeli ones.
LT, Israel has a very sofisticated air-defence system. Ukraine does not. Read the news. Taking down all those projectiles by Israel all the allies is not she’lo ke’derech ha’teva, is not an open miracle.
About the the casualty rate, I do not know enough about the issue, but the Arabs are not good soldiers. So…Ujm, Yitzhak Avinu said:”Ve’hoya ka’asher torid” — the crown went to Eisav.
Ujm, certainly. It was gezeirah min ha’Shamaim that they should be the world power at that time.
LT, there were no open miracles during the Iranian attack. There was nothing she’lo ke’derech ha’teva.
Ujm, it is, obviously, only with siyatta di’Shmaya, but they managed to turn desert into a first-world country and defeat their enemies numerous times. Do not deny the facts.
Avirah…, stop with your libel about the blood thurst!! Just some Zionists felt that in view of how the Arabs and the British acted they would not get the country that was promised to them in a different way.
and the violence was started by the Arabs who started to attack Jews once they realized the Zionists wanted to restore the Jewish state in the land.Avirah…, the only reason the meat from Achav’s and Izevel’s table was kosher was because Ovadiyah ha’Novi was running the household operations.
And only 2 of the kings of Malchus Yisroel were anointed by Neviim. The rest seized power through coups or were offspring of such kings. They were less legitimate than Netanyahu. You need to learn the sources.Avirah, the Kurds being discussed here are America’s allies who fought against ISIS.
Avirah, the Kurds are not Muslim fundamentalists. Get your facts straight.
Avira…, but if they knew all the science there is to know just by the virtue of being Talmidei Chachomim, why would they need to ask anybody?!?
Avira, look up the Gemora – then you will understand the kasha.
It is true that it is all in the Torah. It does not mean, however, that every Talmid Chocham, even 2000 years ago, knew it all. Moshe Rabbeinu, Shlomo ha’melech — okay, but others?Avira, Chazal said that they knew all the science there is to know? Where? Also, how do you explain the Gemora in Niddah 22B which I mentioned above? What we can say is that mestama min Ha’Shamaim they would not allow them to write a mistaken psak into the Gemora.
Avirah, there are people in Lakewood and other places who know Shas.
Also, there is a Gemora in Nidah 22B which talks about 2 occasions when Chachomim did not know about certain medical metziyus and they asked the doctors for help. According to you, what happened?!? Why did they need the doctors’ explanations?AVirah, it is all in principle in the Torah, it does not not mean every Talmid Chocham ,even in times of Chazal, knew it. And why in the world does thinking that Chazal did not know all the science there is to know make one into an apikores?!?! Is it one of the Yesodos Ha’Emunah? Buddy, there is a Gemora in Nidah that when Chachomim needed to know a certain biological/medical fact they had to rely on what the doctors of their time said!!!
Avirah…, so you are saying that one is obligated to believe that Amoroim knew how to make nuclear bombs, computers etc.?!? I believe it is you who is twisting the sources trying to read things in there which were never meant.
Seichel!!! Becoming a min, a kofer is not serving HKBH!! You show what is wrong with the Chabad approach indeed!!
SEichel, for crying out loud! Azahorah shamanu not to understand those statements literally. The Christians went down that path!
You can love and fear HKBH even without learning Kabbola. And it is better to loose out on a portion of a mitsva than to end being a min!!!Kuvult, the mass immigration of Jews had been restricted from 1924 on.
Sechel83, there are statements in Medroshim and Gemoros which are Kabbola-based.
Gemora in the second perek of Hagiga is very clear that Kabbola is to be studied only by people who meet a number of strict requeirements.
Those who understand the sources that you brought down literally are minim whose wine is yain nesech etc.
Menachem, it is enough Kabbola for people to stumble in as we see here and elsewhere among the the Chabad people.5783, it just shows in plain sight what happens when people who are not holding by it learn Kabbola.
Common siechel (Joe), did the Jews in the times of the Beis Ha’Mikdash or in the times of Rashi insist on wearing shtreimels? If no, why should it be done now? Did they insist on speaking Yiddish in times of Ravina? If not…
1. I moche/protest against the bizoyon of a Talmid Chocham — Rav Sorotzkin!
2 Zeff, have you ever heard of the issur of being united with reshoim?Avirah, their not sleeping in the sukkah has nothing to do with that Ramo. We’ve discussed it here!!
Avirah, not sleeping in the sukkah started with the second Rebbe.
Avira, you are wrong, but I am not going to start a long argument with you.
Avirah, the way they argue it is clear that, at least, sometimes they consider the other shitah plain wrong and not a 70 panim le’Torah.
Why only Or Ha’Haim? And what — a Yid who thinks that is a real apikores?Avirah, that Gemorah talks about Amoroim. Plus, it lav davka implies that his opinion was guided by ruach ha’kodesh. Also, with your understanding of ruach ha’kodesh, how can one ever argue on an opinion of an Achron?
Avirah…, LUbavitch goes with the Ba’al Ha’Tanya’s opinion on shkiyah from his siddur (later in his life) against the psak of his Shulchan Aruch.
Avirah…, how do you know that the Sh”Aruch ha’Rav was written with ruach ha’kodesh?
Emunas, we are a Chazal-defined religion, not an Arizal-defined one.
Also, what is your definition of kesher with H’, and why, according to you, it is possible only through tefilah (at least, in our time)?Emunas, who are these hundreds of Gedolim?
Emunas, that is the shitah of Chabad and Mekubalim, and it is a chiddush. Look what I wrote to CS. Even a statement from Arizal about everybody learning Kabbola can not help against the chashash of the stumbling block. The Shabbtai Zvi and Ya’akov Frank sects and Chabad are primary examples of this concern being fullfilled.
CS, I do not know why you decided to address me with these questions.
As far learning Kabbolah goes, it is okay to do it only for a few select indivduals in Klal Yisroel. Mishna in Hagigah says: “we are not to give over sisrei Torah but only to a wise one who understadns on his own…”. There are other mekoros, and that is the mesorah of the Ashkenaz Jewry. One of the main reasons is the possibility of coming out with a terribly wrong pshat.
I personally have knowledge of Nistar on an introductory level.Menachem…, I did not mean every single mechaber. I meant generally speaking.
Avirah, you are talking about the times of Moshiach, I am talking about olam ha’ze.
Ujm, you do not realize the unbelievable chashivus ascribed by Chabad to the statements of Arizal.
Always, where does it say that in the last week’s parsha?!?
Follow…, taking Section 8 and food stamps by many is chilul H’ and hisgarus be’umos.Menachem…, I wrote what I did because it is accepted by Klal Yisroel – from the Litvishe to Sefardi Mekubalim that Rambam did not learn Kabbolah. Arizal said so (!!), Arizal (!!). I mean which bigger source would Chabad want?
Your sources to the contrary do not appear to be strong. And the Besht argued with the Arizal?!?!CS, Rambam never learnt Kabbola.
Avirah, reality check! By the frumer Litvishe everybody goes to kollel and some do by the Chassidim. It is not a tiny percentage by any means!
OP, Gemora in Eiruvin says that divrei Torah get preserved only in those who are as cruel to their children as a crow (by giving them substandard food).Always, we are not talking about your political preferences, we are talking about da’as Torah. Advising people to move from western Europe to Russia was impractical — you have to know the metzius of the situation.
And, be’chlal, who could have advised anyone to move to Russia in view of the fact that their army would go into Ukraine in 2022?Ujm (Josef’s younger brother), extreme chumros are not beautiful Yidddishe minhagim.
Ba’al ha’Tanya was greater than Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai?!?!? Another thing which shows what is wrong with Chabad.
Always…, Chofets Chaim ended up beyond the Russian/Soviet borders after the Soviet-Polish war of 1920.