Comments on: Op-Ed: Ehud Olmert’s Peace Plan Is Really A Death Trap

By: zionflag

zionflag — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:04:24 +0000

He can co-exist with the Arabs, but “we” are the demographic threat that is clearly existential to the zionist dream.

The “we’ of the frum torah community can live with the dream of ‘Return to Tzion’ and building a country.

By: AinOhdMilvado

AinOhdMilvado — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:29:41 +0000

#4 akuperma…

You are quite right. In addition to what you mentioned, you have the fact that the majority of new olim are religious, and the majority of yordim are secular (in large measure because these secular ‘post-zionist’ crowd are not at all sure why they are even IN Eretz Yisrael).
Also the huge increase of the religious into not only the IDF in general, but also becoming high ranking officers, and entering into the most elite combat units. Put this all together and the chilonim are truly running scared as they fear that their beloved secular Zionist dream is being is being taken over by Torah Jews.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:18:06 +0000

#3– on demographics, in the last few years they’re looked more closely at the figures and realized that the real “demographic” disaster isn’t Arabs (whose birth rate if falling, as is typical in all societies a few generations after infant mortality declines), but rather in the growing number of Orthodox Jews (whose fertility isn’t declining). He can co-exist with the Arabs, but “we” are the demographic threat that is clearly existential to the zionist dream.

By: AinOhdMilvado

AinOhdMilvado — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:54:40 +0000

Oh! I should add that what Olmert says in this interview, i.e. that arab demographics are NOT a real problem for the foreseeable future, IS exactly the OPPOSITE of what HE himself claimed was the reason for the ‘necessity’ for the Gush Katif expulsion!
This guy was/is a DISASTER for Am Yisrael and Eretz Yisrael.

By: AinOhdMilvado

AinOhdMilvado — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:36:35 +0000

Olmert is just trying to show that he is still someone ‘chashuv’, someone whose opinion still matters, and make everyone forget that he is still under indictment for numerous crimes.
His opinions have ALWAYS been anti-Torah and anti-Israel’s interests. Just look at at the outcome of the Gush Katif expulsion he implemented! Gaza, once the home of the beautiful Gush Katif settlements, and home to about 9,000 Jews with shuls, farms, businesses, yeshivas, etc. is now just a huge terrorist base! Thank you Ehud!

To see olmert’s history of wrong thinking, see this debate with R’Meir Kahane in which the American non-Jewish newsman moderator points out that what R’Kahane is saying makes sense, and what Olmert is saying does not…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S69J2Ews57Y

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:34:16 +0000

Ehud who? Is this some sort of trivia question? Didn’t he used to have something to do with Israeli politics, years ago? And left in disgrace?????

Yacimovich and Livni are significant. They are opposition leaders. The leaders of the Arab and Hareidi parties are significant. But an ex-politician, accidental and failed prime minister, known more for getting rich while doing a mediocre job of public service – not worth even discussing.