Comments on: Op-Ed By Avi Schick: Leave Circumcision Ritual Alone

By: brooklynhocker

brooklynhocker — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:00:05 +0000

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I’ve always enjoyed Dr. Marvin Schick’s articles.
Sforim say that when [ariyos] are under attack (a positive affect of the internet asifa) the Soton counter strikes the exact opposite (the mitzvah of Milah.)

By: lkwdmama

lkwdmama — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 23:12:13 +0000

Very well written article.
This edict is only the tip of the iceberg and our rabbanim realize it. What’s to stop them from banning bris mila altogether or telling us how to fill our mikvaos or how to schecht our meat or stopping us from using klaf for STAM? It all started with a “harmless” yellow star in Germany and look what happened. The more power we give them the more they’re going to want.

By: Gadolhadorah

Gadolhadorah — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:56:04 +0000

I fear this whole issue will end badly for everyone since all this broigas does is to make non-frum parents more fearful of milah and less likely to have a bris if they were previously wavering. In 10 years, we will look back and wish the Agudah has found some politically acceptable compromise to keep this issue off the front page and evening news.

By: Seichel Brosh

Seichel Brosh — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:09:09 +0000

For all those who follow the Halacha that MBP is part of the Bris, they have to be ready for another Geirush, we don’t know what the test by Hashem is at this time, all orchestrated by a jew who does not beleive he is a jew does not know what a jew is.

By: Rebyid40

Rebyid40 — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:40:51 +0000

It says that if a yid is going to travel to a place where the goyim will mock his tzitzis, he should tuck them in…vihmayvin yuvun…

By: Baal Boose

Baal Boose — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:52:26 +0000

To Ader #2;
FYI: Yiftach Hashofet DID NOT throw his daughter into the fire in order to be Mkayem his Neder. (check all the Meforshim)
Ben Sorer U’morer basically never happened.
Soteh is supernatural so even a govt cant legislate against that.
And Akidas yitzchok was common practice in those days.
And btw Thank G-d the Gov’t has different Hashkofos.

By: cherrybim

cherrybim — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:31:53 +0000

Today’s New York Times features a decent article on this subject and even quotes Yeshiva World; see:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/nyregion/regulation-of-circumcision-method-divides-some-jews-in-new-york.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:07:04 +0000

Actually the First Amendment protects only belief (you can’t be arrested for not believing in you know who – whereas 250 years you would have been busted for “blasphemy”) – not practices. Even under the most liberal interpretations of the “living constitution”, it wouldn’t apply to a non-discriminatory law.

To traditional Americans, religious tolerance is a “core” value, but one should note that many “liberals” don’t share in these “old fashioned” values.

The reality is that the real issue is that the goyim (okay, primarily the non-Orthodox Jews) really do hate us, and are scared as the Jewish community is turning frum (at this point due to high birth rate among us, and negative birth rates amon the hilonim).

The issue in the matters is solely one of bigotry.

By: shimon11210

shimon11210 — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:39:12 +0000

Compelling and well-penned! Brilliant article! I don’t know why more frum Jews aren’t outraged. Non-Chassidim seem to think that this doesn’t matter to them. Do we really want to go back to Greece??? There needs to be concern that an outright Milah ban follows this (that is the stated goal of some involved). Let’s defend the boundaries! Don’t touch our religion. Period!

By: ader

ader — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:49:15 +0000

I wonder if the Government would have ever allowed, Ben Sorer Umoreh, or a Hilchos Soiteh, or selling ones daughter into slavery, or Akeiddas Yitzchok.
Yiftach Hashofet threw his daughter into the fire in order to be Mkayem his Neder.
The Gov’t has different hashkofos.