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		<title>By: verizon49</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To # 7 the ONLY protest we make is against the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To # 7 the ONLY protest we make is against the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: YITZCHOK2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[verizon49 should name the yeshivah and we should make a protest against that yeshivah!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>verizon49 should name the yeshivah and we should make a protest against that yeshivah!</p>
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		<title>By: The little I know</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The little I know]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Verizon49:

You might agree with the following comment.  Others will likely see it as accusatory, deny it, or consider me one of our generation&#039;s greatest rebels.

While our yeshivos profess to be the carriers and imparters of Torah education, that is the least of their missions.  Their main one is to run a business, and make the greatest profit out of it.  Profit might include finances, but is also the image of the yeshiva and the reputations (kavod) of their senior leadership.

Now, I know that is a nasty thing to say, but I challenge everyone out there who is sickened by this statement to examine as many yeshivos as they can.  Then return to report their findings.

Money is given priority over the dignity of the child any day.  It behooves the mind of any truly Torah committed Jew to allow a child to be subjected to any level or form of rejection just because the parents are undergoing financial hardship.  Every weapon possible has been used to extract money from struggling parents.  Include throwing kids out of school altogether, suspensions, denying them report cards, public shaming, neglecting them when they become victims of bullies (including mechanchim and peers), etc.  I have personal testimony to these crimes, and more.  Things have improved in our chinuch system in many areas.  But when it comes to money, there has been massive rejection of any statements to the contrary by rabbonim, even Gedolei Yisroel.

Public schools have large crowds of kids from frum, mainstream families.  Many can be expected to not return to shmiras Torah umitzvos, and of this group, many are at serious risk of intermarriage.  This can cost generations of neshamos to Klal Yisroel.  I dare to accuse our yeshivos and schools as having put them there, either because they failed to provide proper discipline, failure to meet their educational and social needs, or simple greed.

No, I&#039;m not the wise guy that knows how to balance their budgets.  But they claim to be the wise guys who can control who stays frum in the next generation.  That is a travesty, and should be unacceptable to anyone who claims to represent Torah education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verizon49:</p>
<p>You might agree with the following comment.  Others will likely see it as accusatory, deny it, or consider me one of our generation&#8217;s greatest rebels.</p>
<p>While our yeshivos profess to be the carriers and imparters of Torah education, that is the least of their missions.  Their main one is to run a business, and make the greatest profit out of it.  Profit might include finances, but is also the image of the yeshiva and the reputations (kavod) of their senior leadership.</p>
<p>Now, I know that is a nasty thing to say, but I challenge everyone out there who is sickened by this statement to examine as many yeshivos as they can.  Then return to report their findings.</p>
<p>Money is given priority over the dignity of the child any day.  It behooves the mind of any truly Torah committed Jew to allow a child to be subjected to any level or form of rejection just because the parents are undergoing financial hardship.  Every weapon possible has been used to extract money from struggling parents.  Include throwing kids out of school altogether, suspensions, denying them report cards, public shaming, neglecting them when they become victims of bullies (including mechanchim and peers), etc.  I have personal testimony to these crimes, and more.  Things have improved in our chinuch system in many areas.  But when it comes to money, there has been massive rejection of any statements to the contrary by rabbonim, even Gedolei Yisroel.</p>
<p>Public schools have large crowds of kids from frum, mainstream families.  Many can be expected to not return to shmiras Torah umitzvos, and of this group, many are at serious risk of intermarriage.  This can cost generations of neshamos to Klal Yisroel.  I dare to accuse our yeshivos and schools as having put them there, either because they failed to provide proper discipline, failure to meet their educational and social needs, or simple greed.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not the wise guy that knows how to balance their budgets.  But they claim to be the wise guys who can control who stays frum in the next generation.  That is a travesty, and should be unacceptable to anyone who claims to represent Torah education.</p>
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		<title>By: walton157</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Verizon49: So sorry to hear about your daughter&#039;s horrible experience with her principal. This is why many yeshivos mail the report cards to the homes and are not given in the classroom.

I usually don&#039;t agree with many posters on YWN, but I agree with everyone who has posted so far.

I have a friend who pulled her two younger daughters out of yeshiva put them in a Charter School because she can&#039;t afford the tuition. Next September, the oldest will attend the same Charter School as her sisters.

On so many levels I am disturbed by this new &quot;fad&quot;. I attended a simcha and met a woman who told me that she also pulled her kid out of yeshiva because of the tuition. An epidimic of unbelievable proportion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Verizon49: So sorry to hear about your daughter&#8217;s horrible experience with her principal. This is why many yeshivos mail the report cards to the homes and are not given in the classroom.</p>
<p>I usually don&#8217;t agree with many posters on YWN, but I agree with everyone who has posted so far.</p>
<p>I have a friend who pulled her two younger daughters out of yeshiva put them in a Charter School because she can&#8217;t afford the tuition. Next September, the oldest will attend the same Charter School as her sisters.</p>
<p>On so many levels I am disturbed by this new &#8220;fad&#8221;. I attended a simcha and met a woman who told me that she also pulled her kid out of yeshiva because of the tuition. An epidimic of unbelievable proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: verizon49</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all due respect ,you got it ALL wrong.I sent all my girls to a  frum girls school.I paid FULL tuition and more when the school was in need for more.Over nigh my business had a temporary set back,I called the school to inform them of the temporary set back. I requested that until the set back gets resolved I would like to PAY THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE PREVIOUS YEAR and as soon as the set back to my business gets resolved I will PAY THE short fall .The school said fine,EVERY MONTH I MADE THE TUITION PAYMENT(last  year amount). About three months after I was only paying last year amount ,the principal of the school came into my daughter&#039;s classroom to give the report card ,MY DAUGHTER WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DID NOT GET HER REPORT CARD.My daughter raised her hand and told the principal that&#039; she did NOT get her report card &#039;,the principal told my daughter &#039;tell your father to call me&quot;. My daughter started to cry ,and the principal walked out of the class room.My daughter told me that  on the way home from school some girls were making fun of her because she did NOT get her report card.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect ,you got it ALL wrong.I sent all my girls to a  frum girls school.I paid FULL tuition and more when the school was in need for more.Over nigh my business had a temporary set back,I called the school to inform them of the temporary set back. I requested that until the set back gets resolved I would like to PAY THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE PREVIOUS YEAR and as soon as the set back to my business gets resolved I will PAY THE short fall .The school said fine,EVERY MONTH I MADE THE TUITION PAYMENT(last  year amount). About three months after I was only paying last year amount ,the principal of the school came into my daughter&#8217;s classroom to give the report card ,MY DAUGHTER WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DID NOT GET HER REPORT CARD.My daughter raised her hand and told the principal that&#8217; she did NOT get her report card &#8216;,the principal told my daughter &#8216;tell your father to call me&#8221;. My daughter started to cry ,and the principal walked out of the class room.My daughter told me that  on the way home from school some girls were making fun of her because she did NOT get her report card.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Ploni</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  But our yeshivos play a role as well.  Open up any of the Jewish newspapers... when it comes to honorees at dinners, is it the talmid chochom who gets honored?  Unlikely.  It&#039;s the folks with the large bank account.
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Pesach programs.  How many thousands of yeshiva kids go to hotels for Pesach after their parents drop thousands of $$?  And we&#039;re not even talking about all of the outfits our wives and daughters &quot;need&quot; because chas v&#039;shalom they should be seen twice in the same clothing!

The RS&quot;O gave the &quot;nisayon&quot; of relative wealth. HE is testing us to see what we are doing with the wealth he bestowed on us.

I think we are failing ourselves, our children and primarily our children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  But our yeshivos play a role as well.  Open up any of the Jewish newspapers&#8230; when it comes to honorees at dinners, is it the talmid chochom who gets honored?  Unlikely.  It&#8217;s the folks with the large bank account.<br />
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Pesach programs.  How many thousands of yeshiva kids go to hotels for Pesach after their parents drop thousands of $$?  And we&#8217;re not even talking about all of the outfits our wives and daughters &#8220;need&#8221; because chas v&#8217;shalom they should be seen twice in the same clothing!</p>
<p>The RS&#8221;O gave the &#8220;nisayon&#8221; of relative wealth. HE is testing us to see what we are doing with the wealth he bestowed on us.</p>
<p>I think we are failing ourselves, our children and primarily our children.</p>
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		<title>By: Not getting involved</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not getting involved]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin, you are right on the money.
Politics is a dirty game and political correctness has reached epic proportions!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, you are right on the money.<br />
Politics is a dirty game and political correctness has reached epic proportions!</p>
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		<title>By: yosse</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, many inculcate children with a different value system, one that regards wealth and power as envious traits, leaving education and dignity to the dusty shelves of the last generation’s museums. 


It is not the children who have the different value system sad to say , it us the adults who are the problem.
years ago weather a parent could or could not afford to send there child to yeshiva , the yeshiva took the child in.
weather the child came from a non religious home , he was taken in since when a child gets a good Jewish education we continue to survive.
however today it is not like that. parents who can&#039;t afford to pay tuition are told go raise the money or we will not take your children in and if we are nice enough to take your kids in if you fall behind in tuition we will embarrass you and your children.
a child from a non religious home is not excepted in our schools.
however when it comes to money all the rules go out the window and whoever has the money makes the rules.
OUR KIDS SEE ALL THIS AND THEY ACT ACCORDINGLY.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, many inculcate children with a different value system, one that regards wealth and power as envious traits, leaving education and dignity to the dusty shelves of the last generation’s museums. </p>
<p>It is not the children who have the different value system sad to say , it us the adults who are the problem.<br />
years ago weather a parent could or could not afford to send there child to yeshiva , the yeshiva took the child in.<br />
weather the child came from a non religious home , he was taken in since when a child gets a good Jewish education we continue to survive.<br />
however today it is not like that. parents who can&#8217;t afford to pay tuition are told go raise the money or we will not take your children in and if we are nice enough to take your kids in if you fall behind in tuition we will embarrass you and your children.<br />
a child from a non religious home is not excepted in our schools.<br />
however when it comes to money all the rules go out the window and whoever has the money makes the rules.<br />
OUR KIDS SEE ALL THIS AND THEY ACT ACCORDINGLY.</p>
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