Comments on: Op-Ed: What Israel Must Do

By: lebidik yankel

lebidik yankel — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:18:12 +0000

Rabbi Hoffman, I salute you for thinking of solutions and ideas instead of spreading blame and complaining. I was in an Israeli hospital last night and it was full of Arabs, enjoying full and equal service, sitting side by side with Jews. I think there are real possibilities…

By: litvok 613

litvok 613 — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:23:13 +0000

Rabbi Hoffman, I truly hope you are suggesting this, tongue in cheek. You have got to be kidding. Maybe we should solve the rat problem in NYC with the same theory. (Do rats like carrots)?

By: roger green

roger green — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:58:47 +0000

For the past 1500 years, islam has glorified death mayhem and destruction for all “blasphemers and non believers”.
Has nothing to do with terrorist orgs such as=tanzim,al aqsa brigades,hamas,islamic jihad,el fatah,etc.ameich koolum rotzchim!

By: roshvrishon

roshvrishon — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:14:28 +0000

Historically, there were times that the jews lived well under the Moslems, better than the Christians. That was in the Middle ages when their culture was more advanced. Also in the old yishuv they had excellent relations. First, there must be a reconquest of the territories. Second, punishment of terrorist must be ruthless, executions and wrap them up in pig skin (no heaven for them according to their religion). Then the carrot can begin: There are plenty nice Arabs out there, I meet them all the time. World opinion must be ignored. Israel must tighten relations with China and India, they will go where the money is and turn its back on USA who are now weaklings and will be at a loss in a new World Order

By: Rebbe Yid

Rebbe Yid — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:58:04 +0000

#11: That’s the whole point. E Germany was never denazified, and you see what happened.

It probably should be tried, but some of the stumbling blocks are that (1) in Germany, no one killed their neighbor for using denazified textbooks, but that’s exactly what would happen amongst the Arabs, and (2) with Germany, the world didn’t condemn the US for denazification, whereas they would when it came to the Arabs.

By: AviLondon

AviLondon — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:09:49 +0000

The denazification of Germany was very different in 2 way to the deterrorisation of Eretz Yisroel (“Palestine” was coined to insult the Jews and is not the real name of the Holy Land): 1) nazism was essentially a German monster, somewhat imitated by others but not nourished by them – but “militant islam is aided and abetted from others outside EY (Hezbollah, Al Quaida, etc.); 2) 70 years ago there was no internet, mobiles and much other instant media worldwide. Any attempt to restrict education to stop indoctrination is not extremely difficult, since these media are available to counteract all restrictions.
So this rather nice idea is unfortunately pie in the sky.

By: charliehall

charliehall — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:09:26 +0000

“Germany once again rejoined the family of nations.”

This is not completely accurate. East Germany established a Communist regime that was almost as bad as the Nazis in every respect other than refraining from genocide. It never dealt with the Nazi legacy and today that part of Germany produces extremists to this day.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:00:04 +0000

The Israeli have trouble realizing that the other side plays dirty. If you look at the massacres of POWs in Iraq, or the sexually oriented kidnappings in Nigeria – you can see the problem. In fact the Palestinians are very civilized compared to their allies.

The early zionists expected to be welcomed by the Arabs, or at least that the Arabs would end hostilities once they realized they couldn’t push Jews around any more. In all fairness, the zionists were largely socialists who though the Arabs would put aside Islam and join a workers revolution.

“Denazification” is a good model. “Deislamicization” is the only way Israel can live at peace with the Muslim world. The Israelis would need a return to the status quo ante – Pakistan and Indonesia being Hindu, most of the Arab world and Turkey being Christian, Iran being Zoastrian. Remember “denazificiation” must be preceeded by conquest.

So the only way zionism will work is by conquering the entire Islamic world. That’s roughly a quarter of the planet. To get an idea of the scope, imagine Williamsburg raising an army and conquering New York City by force.

If Jews wish to live in Eretz Yisrael, they will have to get used to the idea that they will need to make peace with the Arabs, and that probably involves concessions that non-hareidim (be they secular or dati leumi) can never make.

By: joecohen242

joecohen242 — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:59:19 +0000

if Sancheiriv mixed up whole world, then today’s Arabs aren’t from Yishmael, so no reason that thy should be Pereh Adom.

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:35:48 +0000

I think the only think that might work is to announce that we cannot adhere by international law with an enemy such as this, and simply deal with them as they do: behead terrorists, all prisoners should by confined in worse conditions – at least like in Japan – and tell the UN and the world that the day they stop – we stop.

Might not work, but it’s the only thing that makes sense “al pi teva”…