Comments on: Op-Ed: R’Shaim Are People Too

By: Doc

Doc — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 15:22:08 +0000

HaRav Feldman only modified his comment regarding Lipman’s earlier comment that he was originally citing that turned out to be a misquote by Israeli radio. Nevertheless Lipman made many more such comments that were far worse that no one denies he made, that more than qualifies him the status HaRav Feldman initially gave him.

By: Softwords

Softwords — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:37:15 +0000

#12 junkfreesignup – things are not as black and white as you are making it out to be.

By: Softwords

Softwords — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:28:54 +0000

#10 dovid2 – your statements are clearly coming from your own heart and not from having discussed the issue with a competent Talmid Chocham. I suggest you search for a mentor and work on removing your animosity towards those Rabbanim. I know nothing about the case of theft, but concerning the court case I was also shock! However, we need to put things in perspective. That doesn’t make someone a Mumar L’hachis.

Personally I feel that Lapid, like his wicked father, is a Mumar L’hachis. It could be argued though that he is only a mumar l’tei’avon.

Concerning Lipman, HaRav Feldman in the end stated that he is a “shogeg” and “extremely misguided”.

Concerning the pic, I don’t think the Editors of YWN intentions were to place a specific label on these two, but rather just the fact that they are both sinners and if so, then the picture is fitting for this article.

By: Softwords

Softwords — Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:59:38 +0000

#8 galicianer – it’s good that you’re observant enough to notice a query like that. However, you should have done a little investigation on your own first. If you notice, he quoted the Kol Bo on Aveilus. That is not the famous Kol Bo that we all know of that was written by one of the early Achronim (some say it was Rav Yosef Caro), but rather a contemporary Rav from Ohio named Rabbi Yekusiel Yehudah Greenwald. The name of his sefer is “Kol Bo Al Aveilus”.

By: DovidBaer

DovidBaer — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 22:46:23 +0000

Akuperman: Your post in #9 is probably what the ‘tzadikim’ of the Second Beis HaMikdash said. They were stuped in Torah but didn’t respect bein adam lchaveiro and Choshen Mishpat. Maybe you should learn sefer Amos, but a better starting place would probably be Chumash.

By: lebidik yankel

lebidik yankel — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 21:28:13 +0000

I am not on par with Rabbi Hoffman. Nonetheless I need clarification on whether he is writing this as merely a possible approach or is it the approach he personally thinks is what the Torah prescribes.

Political correctness notwithstanding, I pray three times a day that wicked men die.

David did say, as properly quoted, that he hates the wicked. In fact he adds ‘Utmost hate have I for them, they are my personal enemies!’

And in Rabbi Hoffman’s example – would he contrive ways to justify the Nazi, even had the Nazi Jewish blood??

By: junkfreesignup

junkfreesignup — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 21:08:52 +0000

akuperma: hatred?!? While there might be some in the government that have hatred for the charaidi klal, to put lipman in the boat with him is not right and just shows a lack of understanding of the matzav (no pun intended) in EY.
The majority that voted for the current government do not hate charaidim look at the poll quoted in the ami and others they are indifferent to charaidim, they do know that their children are in harms way and the charadi children are safe and sound, and while you and i both know that torah learning keeps our brothers in EY safe, they do not believe in this or even in Hashem at all!!! We can force people to live a life of torah (ala Miami Boys Choir), just as they cant tell you not to live a life of torah. You also can not tell them to support your life choices against their will.

As to the point that no one can be frum in the army, there is lots of truth to that, and a compromise is definitely needed, if it is sharut leumi as by the arabs or some other community service ala zaka or hatzalah or just volunteering at local hospitals, there has to be some give and take.

To the point that giving the people a choice or opportunity to work is somehow contra to a torah life is mind boggling at best, since when is the ability to choose a bad thing, the gemorah mishnah and history are full of torah people who worked for a living. Harba Krab Shimon Vilo Alsa Biyadom.

By: americanisraeli

americanisraeli — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:23:14 +0000

The fact that Rav Feldman Shlita amended his calling of Rabbi Lipman a rasha to a shogeyg does not seem to bother those who quote him. This is cherry picking the words of the tzaddik to meet an agenda. I think anyone who does this might as well come out and admit that they have no respect for this rosh yeshiva at all! Otherwise they would allow him the courtesy of speaking for himself.

By: dovid2

dovid2 — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:01:12 +0000

akuperma, did they teach you in your yeshiva that the worst thing a Yid can do is to be mechalel Shem Shamaim? L & L (Lipman & Lapid) do not mechalel Shem Shamaim. A prominent Yid sentenced to jail for a crime he truly committed, or one who turns to goyshe courts because he knows a beis din would not posken in his favor is mechalel Shem Shamaim in a big way. There are no buyers for your political spin.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 18:39:15 +0000

junkfreesignup: Greed is common and is not a threat to the existence of the Jewish people. There have always been greedy people and there always will be. The world will survive.

Lipman and Lapid are not motivated by greed, but by hatred, and a desire to undermine Torah. If all they wanted was to get more money for themselves and their followers, they wouldn’t be the object of hatred. Their goal is to destroy the world of Torah.