Comments on: Op-Ed: TAP: What’s the Excitement?

By: charliehall

charliehall — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:28:31 +0000

“It isn’t an error in thinking. The p’sak is quite clear. It is applicable to all not merely to talmidei chachomim.”

According to the gedolim I cited, the psak isn’t applicable to anyone at all.

By: His Royal Highness

His Royal Highness — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:06:02 +0000

I should add that I am pleased for a change to be agreeing with my colleague Dave Hirsch!

Dave works in YU?

By: His Royal Highness

His Royal Highness — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 20:47:23 +0000

Woman: It isn’t an error in thinking. The p’sak is quite clear. It is applicable to all not merely to talmidei chachomim.

By: A Woman outside bklyn

A Woman outside bklyn — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:04:13 +0000

Actually, Charlie, in my humble opinion it’s fine for a true talmud chochim (read, as perhaps a future Gedol) to skip a college education. But our error is in thinking that every yeshiva bochur is a potential gedol hador. Many might be, but by the time they’ve reached their early 20′s and have spent several years in Beis Medrash, the cream has risen to the top in terms of learning. While the rest of the bochurim are fine Bnei Torah who should always maintain a regular sedar, it might be time however for them to think about a parnosa.

By: charliehall

charliehall — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:32:51 +0000

“Incorrect. See Birkas Shmuel Kiddushin #27 p.42 and Kovetz Shiurim II:47 as cited in the first comment.”

Those references simply show that the two poskim you mention held that opinion, a fact I of course did not dispute! In my comment I have listed far more gedolim who did not agree with R’Liebowitz z’tz’l and R’Wasserman z’tz’l. There are just too many university-educated gedolim — in every generation — to take your claim seriously.

By: His Royal Highness

His Royal Highness — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:14:57 +0000

That was never accepted by Klal Yisrael.

Incorrect. See Birkas Shmuel Kiddushin #27 p.42 and Kovetz Shiurim II:47 as cited in the first comment.

By: His Royal Highness

His Royal Highness — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:13:18 +0000

Wow, it looks like Dave got all the admitted liberals backing him!

By: A Woman outside bklyn

A Woman outside bklyn — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:59:34 +0000

Sorry, lots of early Monday morning typos above, but hope you get my intent.

By: A Woman outside bklyn

A Woman outside bklyn — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:58:47 +0000

Add my name to those who support David Hirsch’s position. Not every young man is cut out for whatever reason to be a Rabbi. It doesn’t mean they’ll stop learning, it just means that Hashem perhaps intends for them to be the wholes to help support K’al Yisrael. It’s time for us to cease looking down upon “earner/learners”, but in terms of shidduchim and overall.

By: nfgo3

nfgo3 — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 04:54:42 +0000

I, a card-carrying liberal, agree with the opinion set forth in this article that yeshiva education must include education not directly related to Torah.

Commenter No. 3: How do you know that Dave Hirsch is the author of this article? No where above is that explicitly stated, though it is inartfully implied by the apparent non-sequitur paragraph in italics at the end of the article.