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		<title>By: nfgo3</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 01:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. 14:  The reason we have courts - secular and religious - is in part so that we do not leave matters of justice in the hands of those most emotionally affected by a crime.  Judges are required to judge the facts and law objectively.  Family members of crime victims may understandably be too upset to judge the alleged perpetrator fairly, and that is why our religious and secular justice systems do not rely on &quot;family feuds&quot; or retribution to find and punish wrongdoers.  If c&quot;v a member of my family were a crime victim, of course I could not be objective in meting out justice.  That&#039;s why Hashem gave us Torah and judges, and why secular legal systems of the civilized world follow (not exactly) the Torah model of justice.  Justice is divine, not personal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 14:  The reason we have courts &#8211; secular and religious &#8211; is in part so that we do not leave matters of justice in the hands of those most emotionally affected by a crime.  Judges are required to judge the facts and law objectively.  Family members of crime victims may understandably be too upset to judge the alleged perpetrator fairly, and that is why our religious and secular justice systems do not rely on &#8220;family feuds&#8221; or retribution to find and punish wrongdoers.  If c&#8221;v a member of my family were a crime victim, of course I could not be objective in meting out justice.  That&#8217;s why Hashem gave us Torah and judges, and why secular legal systems of the civilized world follow (not exactly) the Torah model of justice.  Justice is divine, not personal.</p>
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		<title>By: AinOhdMilvado</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 18:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nfgo3...

...and if, chas v&#039;chalila, someone in YOUR family was in serious danger at the hands of a terrorist, and they could be saved by torturing a captured terrorist, I suppose you then might feel that &quot;would be a reasonable mitigating consideration at&quot; the sentencing hearing of those that did the torturing??? - or perhaps not...]]></description>
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<p>&#8230;and if, chas v&#8217;chalila, someone in YOUR family was in serious danger at the hands of a terrorist, and they could be saved by torturing a captured terrorist, I suppose you then might feel that &#8220;would be a reasonable mitigating consideration at&#8221; the sentencing hearing of those that did the torturing??? &#8211; or perhaps not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nfgo3</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. 7:  I agree with you.

No. 6:  I never said I would conduct an investigation, but I would read a report on an investigation and draw my own conclusions.  If the record shows that the key intelligence in this operation was obtained by illegal torture, then I would propose to punish the torturers.  That their crimes did some good for the rest of the world would be a reasonable mitigating consideration at their sentencing hearing.  I do not consider myself a PETA nut (we Jews know Hashem gave us animals to eat and told us how to kill them), but I might be a US constitution nut or a Geneva convention nut.  And if I knew more Torah, I might be a Torah nut, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 7:  I agree with you.</p>
<p>No. 6:  I never said I would conduct an investigation, but I would read a report on an investigation and draw my own conclusions.  If the record shows that the key intelligence in this operation was obtained by illegal torture, then I would propose to punish the torturers.  That their crimes did some good for the rest of the world would be a reasonable mitigating consideration at their sentencing hearing.  I do not consider myself a PETA nut (we Jews know Hashem gave us animals to eat and told us how to kill them), but I might be a US constitution nut or a Geneva convention nut.  And if I knew more Torah, I might be a Torah nut, too.</p>
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		<title>By: YonasonW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YonasonW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read and weep msseeker...don&#039;t have a tantrum!  :-O]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read and weep msseeker&#8230;don&#8217;t have a tantrum!  :-O</p>
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		<title>By: Anonimity86</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 16:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I listened to the speech and I didn&#039;t feel that way. I&#039;m no expert on language and speeches, I judge a speech by what I feel when I listen to it. Also I&#039;m a Republican so I tend to have negative opinions of Pres. Obama when I listen to him. However, I didn&#039;t feel any of that when I heard that speech. I felt that he was speaking for the nation, not just himself.

However, I wonder that since he took a risk and succeeded should he judge him based on the success or based on the action he took? America would be just as safe if Osama was killed by a missile strike or a Special Ops team, the difference would be that we would not have the satisfaction and morale boost and Obama would not have the political benefits if we didn&#039;t know Osama was dead. Was that worth risking the lives of Navy SEALs? I think the answer is that the risk is worth it for the huge morale benefits to the troops. The question we have to decide when judging Obama is was that decision right and did he make it for the right reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the speech and I didn&#8217;t feel that way. I&#8217;m no expert on language and speeches, I judge a speech by what I feel when I listen to it. Also I&#8217;m a Republican so I tend to have negative opinions of Pres. Obama when I listen to him. However, I didn&#8217;t feel any of that when I heard that speech. I felt that he was speaking for the nation, not just himself.</p>
<p>However, I wonder that since he took a risk and succeeded should he judge him based on the success or based on the action he took? America would be just as safe if Osama was killed by a missile strike or a Special Ops team, the difference would be that we would not have the satisfaction and morale boost and Obama would not have the political benefits if we didn&#8217;t know Osama was dead. Was that worth risking the lives of Navy SEALs? I think the answer is that the risk is worth it for the huge morale benefits to the troops. The question we have to decide when judging Obama is was that decision right and did he make it for the right reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: msseeker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 16:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now of course he’d never admit that he “inherited” the ultimately successful manhunt, the CIA and SEAL teams, from “the previous administration”. 

CORRECTION:
Unless it failed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now of course he’d never admit that he “inherited” the ultimately successful manhunt, the CIA and SEAL teams, from “the previous administration”. </p>
<p>CORRECTION:<br />
Unless it failed.</p>
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		<title>By: msseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[msseeker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Had it failed, he would’ve gotten all the blame.&quot;

Wrong. Bush would’ve gotten all the blame. After all, Obama &quot;inherited&quot; Osama from &quot;the previous administration&quot;. Now of course he&#039;d never admit that he &quot;inherited&quot; the ultimately successful manhunt, the CIA and SEAL teams, from &quot;the previous administration&quot;. 

Gutsy? Leaving everything in place is gutsy? Disassembling the team, stopping the operation - THAT would be gutsy, in an evil way. B&quot;H Obama is not THAT evil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Had it failed, he would’ve gotten all the blame.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. Bush would’ve gotten all the blame. After all, Obama &#8220;inherited&#8221; Osama from &#8220;the previous administration&#8221;. Now of course he&#8217;d never admit that he &#8220;inherited&#8221; the ultimately successful manhunt, the CIA and SEAL teams, from &#8220;the previous administration&#8221;. </p>
<p>Gutsy? Leaving everything in place is gutsy? Disassembling the team, stopping the operation &#8211; THAT would be gutsy, in an evil way. B&#8221;H Obama is not THAT evil.</p>
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		<title>By: YonasonW</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Morning Ideological Diehards - Read and weep these excerpts from a long NY Times story about GOP praise for Obama :-)

  WASHINGTON — President Obama drew praise from unlikely quarters on Monday for pursuing a risky and clandestine mission to kill Osama bin Laden, a successful operation that interrupted the withering Republican criticism about his foreign policy, world view and his grasp of the office.  

  Former Vice President Dick Cheney declared, “The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation.” New York’s former mayor, Rudolph W. Giuliani, said, “I admire the courage of the president.” And Donald J. Trump declared, “I want to personally congratulate President Obama.” 

   “The president deserves and will receive credit for Bin Laden being killed on his watch,” said Mike DuHaime, a Republican strategist who advised Mr. Giuliani’s 2008 presidential bid. “Like Sept. 11 and its aftermath, this is a moment that transcends politics.”

   John Ullyot, a former Marine intelligence officer who served as a Republican spokesman on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the operation was “a gutsy call because so much could have gone wrong.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning Ideological Diehards &#8211; Read and weep these excerpts from a long NY Times story about GOP praise for Obama <img src='http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>  WASHINGTON — President Obama drew praise from unlikely quarters on Monday for pursuing a risky and clandestine mission to kill Osama bin Laden, a successful operation that interrupted the withering Republican criticism about his foreign policy, world view and his grasp of the office.  </p>
<p>  Former Vice President Dick Cheney declared, “The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation.” New York’s former mayor, Rudolph W. Giuliani, said, “I admire the courage of the president.” And Donald J. Trump declared, “I want to personally congratulate President Obama.” </p>
<p>   “The president deserves and will receive credit for Bin Laden being killed on his watch,” said Mike DuHaime, a Republican strategist who advised Mr. Giuliani’s 2008 presidential bid. “Like Sept. 11 and its aftermath, this is a moment that transcends politics.”</p>
<p>   John Ullyot, a former Marine intelligence officer who served as a Republican spokesman on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the operation was “a gutsy call because so much could have gone wrong.”</p>
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		<title>By: AinOhdMilvado</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[charliehall...

well said!]]></description>
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<p>well said!</p>
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		<title>By: AinOhdMilvado</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AinOhdMilvado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nfgo3...

And IF, after YOUR thorough investigation, it IS concluded that this mission was only made possible because of information obtained through waterboarding or other &quot;illegal torture&quot;, THEN will you say these methods were correct?  
OR...  are you like the PETA nuts who say the life of even one rat should not be sacrificed even if we know it would lead to a cure for cancer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nfgo3&#8230;</p>
<p>And IF, after YOUR thorough investigation, it IS concluded that this mission was only made possible because of information obtained through waterboarding or other &#8220;illegal torture&#8221;, THEN will you say these methods were correct?<br />
OR&#8230;  are you like the PETA nuts who say the life of even one rat should not be sacrificed even if we know it would lead to a cure for cancer?</p>
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