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		<title>By: nfgo3</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 10:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. 31:  Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is 63, not 62.  Get your facts straight, and don&#039;t cut her any slack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 31:  Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is 63, not 62.  Get your facts straight, and don&#8217;t cut her any slack.</p>
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		<title>By: Walkthewalk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walkthewalk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s Christians that have the &quot;adultery of the heart (ie. Lust)&quot; as a sin, not the Jews. &quot;adultery-related activities?!?&quot; How are pictures of women even remotely related to adultery?!? 
#13 is right that this is bad PR, but misses how this is in fact a Chilul HaShem. Chilul HaShem can be determined by Jews, but if a non-Jew looks at a Jew and says that what the Jew&#039;s doing makes God look bad that&#039;s a chilul HaShem, too. Sure, Dir Zeitung needn&#039;t change their policy to accommodate new liberal values, but maybe they ought to keep a stricter watch over where their publications reach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Christians that have the &#8220;adultery of the heart (ie. Lust)&#8221; as a sin, not the Jews. &#8220;adultery-related activities?!?&#8221; How are pictures of women even remotely related to adultery?!?<br />
#13 is right that this is bad PR, but misses how this is in fact a Chilul HaShem. Chilul HaShem can be determined by Jews, but if a non-Jew looks at a Jew and says that what the Jew&#8217;s doing makes God look bad that&#8217;s a chilul HaShem, too. Sure, Dir Zeitung needn&#8217;t change their policy to accommodate new liberal values, but maybe they ought to keep a stricter watch over where their publications reach.</p>
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		<title>By: am</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoever wrote this should really learn what chilul Hashem means. The interpretation and facts concerning this matter are not presented accurately here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever wrote this should really learn what chilul Hashem means. The interpretation and facts concerning this matter are not presented accurately here.</p>
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		<title>By: charliehall</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They watched in horror how music changed from classical to jazz and heroes of the past were replaced with men like Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong and Count Basie.&quot;

Actually, men like that produced wonderful music. As did George Gershwin, Benny Goodman and Artie Shaw, Jews all.  


&quot;They shuddered when contemporary styles were introduced to the youngsters of the time, thereby symbolizing the change of generations. It was in those years that organized crime reigned and drinking became popular despite strict laws prohibiting alcohol. This drastic transformation eternally altered the public’s approach to immoral behaviors. It isn’t the Jews who changed – it is the world that changed.&quot;

Actually, a lot of Jews participated in bootlegging and worse. There was an infamous shomer Shabat hit man named Red Levine. And who wants to remember Jewish gangsters like Buggsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky, Dutch Schultz, and Lepke Buchalter. 


&quot;Refraining from looking at pictures that contain women — regardless of age and appearance — is literally the wedding-band for many religious; moreover, it is a protection that is permanent and everlasting.&quot;

It is not mentioned in any of the traditional halachic sources I&#039;ve ever seen, which refer only to refraining from looking at LIVE women.

And characterizing a photographic portrayal of a 62 year old modestly dressed professional woman as forbidden only brings mockery to Torah, fuzzing the line between photographs like the one in question and ones that really ARE a halachic problem such as the stuff that appears on the covers of fashion and celebrity magazines on a regular basis, not to mention the front page of the *New York Post*. But it is the *New York Times*, which rarely has any interesting photographs of anything, that gets bashed by the frum community.


&quot;It didn’t seem to be newsworthy when Reuters altered pictures at the Lebanon War and Gaza Flotilla to portray Israel in a bad light&quot;

It WAS newsworthy, and it causes the reputation of the news organization to diminish when it prints falsehood. *The New York Times* is still in my doghouse for publishing Judith Miller&#039;s propaganda in the leadup to the Iraq War. 


&quot;They are always so busy telling them how to be and how to dress IN ADDITION TO working on themselves. Tznius and shmiras einayim go hand in hand and both are given high priority in chassidic circles.&quot;

Not in this case! They were so concerned with tzniut that they went over an issur d&#039;oraita! 


&quot;It is perfectly reasonable to refrain from printing any picture that doesn’t meet the strictest standard – after all, the magazine is read in communities throughout the world. However, why risk offending anyone by printing some pictures of women and not others?&quot;

It may be reasonable, but it isn&#039;t Judaism. We do NOT attempt to hold to all opinions. If we did that, we would never produce children because you will never have a mikveh that satisfies all opinions. But we would starve to death first because you will never have kashrut that satisfies all opinions. 


&quot;our gedolim have forbidden women to allow themselves to be photographed or videotaped if it will be posted on the Internet or other public media&quot;

Maybe YOUR gedolim have, but MY gedolim have done no such thing. 


The Yiddish newspapers in question could have simply declined to publish the photograph at all. Instead, they violated Torah prohibitions in order to follow a minhag. That isn&#039;t Orthodox. Doctoring photographs is what I would have expected from Pravda, not a Jewish publication.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They watched in horror how music changed from classical to jazz and heroes of the past were replaced with men like Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong and Count Basie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, men like that produced wonderful music. As did George Gershwin, Benny Goodman and Artie Shaw, Jews all.  </p>
<p>&#8220;They shuddered when contemporary styles were introduced to the youngsters of the time, thereby symbolizing the change of generations. It was in those years that organized crime reigned and drinking became popular despite strict laws prohibiting alcohol. This drastic transformation eternally altered the public’s approach to immoral behaviors. It isn’t the Jews who changed – it is the world that changed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, a lot of Jews participated in bootlegging and worse. There was an infamous shomer Shabat hit man named Red Levine. And who wants to remember Jewish gangsters like Buggsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky, Dutch Schultz, and Lepke Buchalter. </p>
<p>&#8220;Refraining from looking at pictures that contain women — regardless of age and appearance — is literally the wedding-band for many religious; moreover, it is a protection that is permanent and everlasting.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not mentioned in any of the traditional halachic sources I&#8217;ve ever seen, which refer only to refraining from looking at LIVE women.</p>
<p>And characterizing a photographic portrayal of a 62 year old modestly dressed professional woman as forbidden only brings mockery to Torah, fuzzing the line between photographs like the one in question and ones that really ARE a halachic problem such as the stuff that appears on the covers of fashion and celebrity magazines on a regular basis, not to mention the front page of the *New York Post*. But it is the *New York Times*, which rarely has any interesting photographs of anything, that gets bashed by the frum community.</p>
<p>&#8220;It didn’t seem to be newsworthy when Reuters altered pictures at the Lebanon War and Gaza Flotilla to portray Israel in a bad light&#8221;</p>
<p>It WAS newsworthy, and it causes the reputation of the news organization to diminish when it prints falsehood. *The New York Times* is still in my doghouse for publishing Judith Miller&#8217;s propaganda in the leadup to the Iraq War. </p>
<p>&#8220;They are always so busy telling them how to be and how to dress IN ADDITION TO working on themselves. Tznius and shmiras einayim go hand in hand and both are given high priority in chassidic circles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not in this case! They were so concerned with tzniut that they went over an issur d&#8217;oraita! </p>
<p>&#8220;It is perfectly reasonable to refrain from printing any picture that doesn’t meet the strictest standard – after all, the magazine is read in communities throughout the world. However, why risk offending anyone by printing some pictures of women and not others?&#8221;</p>
<p>It may be reasonable, but it isn&#8217;t Judaism. We do NOT attempt to hold to all opinions. If we did that, we would never produce children because you will never have a mikveh that satisfies all opinions. But we would starve to death first because you will never have kashrut that satisfies all opinions. </p>
<p>&#8220;our gedolim have forbidden women to allow themselves to be photographed or videotaped if it will be posted on the Internet or other public media&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe YOUR gedolim have, but MY gedolim have done no such thing. </p>
<p>The Yiddish newspapers in question could have simply declined to publish the photograph at all. Instead, they violated Torah prohibitions in order to follow a minhag. That isn&#8217;t Orthodox. Doctoring photographs is what I would have expected from Pravda, not a Jewish publication.</p>
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		<title>By: deiyezooger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 00:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#28 thats the oldest tactic in the book to attack instead of answering.
And BTW she never said anything about posting on the internet, she said not to put a picture of herself on the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 thats the oldest tactic in the book to attack instead of answering.<br />
And BTW she never said anything about posting on the internet, she said not to put a picture of herself on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: shlishi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 22:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am quite confident that &quot;baruchgershom&quot; (#16) isn&#039;t Jewish and is an anti-semitic troll, considering the blatant lies he writes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite confident that &#8220;baruchgershom&#8221; (#16) isn&#8217;t Jewish and is an anti-semitic troll, considering the blatant lies he writes.</p>
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		<title>By: tracht_ gut</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 21:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dear your sister. u sound like u are a little bit narrow minded and also the type of women that doesnt believe in using the internet so here is a question for you! what exactly are you doing on this site?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear your sister. u sound like u are a little bit narrow minded and also the type of women that doesnt believe in using the internet so here is a question for you! what exactly are you doing on this site?!</p>
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		<title>By: tracht_ gut</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 20:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow # 10 yonassan! well said!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow # 10 yonassan! well said!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: HaLeiVi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 20:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What must be realized is that the paper was not fooling its readership, it was catering to them! Their readers want them to serve them this kind of thing. They chose this paper because of its standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What must be realized is that the paper was not fooling its readership, it was catering to them! Their readers want them to serve them this kind of thing. They chose this paper because of its standards.</p>
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		<title>By: zionflag</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 20:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Photos have been doctored on many occasions in frum Torah publications (books eg. Biographies), so why is this different.  The entire sugya of not showing photos of females is some chumra and not halacha lemaesse.

  WHY? we are afraid of the truth and teaching our kehilla what emes is all about.  (eg. So what if a particular rebetzin hair is not covered? or if the Gadol/Rosh Yeshiva was reading a secular book or hatting a white golf cap. or if a RZ Rav was sitting together at the dais with others..)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Photos have been doctored on many occasions in frum Torah publications (books eg. Biographies), so why is this different.  The entire sugya of not showing photos of females is some chumra and not halacha lemaesse.</p>
<p>  WHY? we are afraid of the truth and teaching our kehilla what emes is all about.  (eg. So what if a particular rebetzin hair is not covered? or if the Gadol/Rosh Yeshiva was reading a secular book or hatting a white golf cap. or if a RZ Rav was sitting together at the dais with others..)</p>
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