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	<title>Comments on: Op-Ed: Same-Gender Marriage: An Affront To Religion</title>
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		<title>By: RSG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does&#039;nt this true and well written article reflect the views of Yeshiva World?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does&#8217;nt this true and well written article reflect the views of Yeshiva World?</p>
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		<title>By: akuperma</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Polygamy is likely to be upheld. Once you totally discard the Christian definition of marriage that is the based of American law (one man, one woman) it will be hard to justify the ban on polygamy. Note that very few same-sex marriages involve children (and those are either adopted or children of only one of the partners), whereas polygamous marriages involve children. Polygamous marriages are fully consensual, and are quite tolerated as de facto relationships since they stopped enforcing the laws against adultery and &quot;criminal conversation&quot; (the only current legal issues deal with non-consenual relationships - really serial rape from a legal perspective).

One might ask is whether the halachic prohibition of polygamy would still apply once it becomes legal in the US since many argue it was only to avoid conflict with the Christians (and never was accepted as halacha in any country where the goyim allow polygamy).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polygamy is likely to be upheld. Once you totally discard the Christian definition of marriage that is the based of American law (one man, one woman) it will be hard to justify the ban on polygamy. Note that very few same-sex marriages involve children (and those are either adopted or children of only one of the partners), whereas polygamous marriages involve children. Polygamous marriages are fully consensual, and are quite tolerated as de facto relationships since they stopped enforcing the laws against adultery and &#8220;criminal conversation&#8221; (the only current legal issues deal with non-consenual relationships &#8211; really serial rape from a legal perspective).</p>
<p>One might ask is whether the halachic prohibition of polygamy would still apply once it becomes legal in the US since many argue it was only to avoid conflict with the Christians (and never was accepted as halacha in any country where the goyim allow polygamy).</p>
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		<title>By: charliehall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 03:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It would seem that the U.S. Founding Fathers included G-d in the founding of the U.S.&quot;

They also permitted idolaters and atheists to hold any office in the United States government, including President. The US has not followed the 7 mitzvot bnai Noach since June 21, 1788, when the Constitution&#039;s ratification took effect. The small Jewish community then in America was incredibly enthusiastic because the very same clause that permitted an idolater to become President also made a Jew eligible to become President. It was the first time since the fall of the Roman Empire that any nation had made Jews full citizens. 

Worthy of note is that while some of the Founding Fathers were indeed devout, others were anti-religion. Adams, Franklin, and Rush held heretical views and didn&#039;t hide them; Jefferson had to hide his radical views, and Paine was almost as anti-religion as any 20th century humanist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would seem that the U.S. Founding Fathers included G-d in the founding of the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>They also permitted idolaters and atheists to hold any office in the United States government, including President. The US has not followed the 7 mitzvot bnai Noach since June 21, 1788, when the Constitution&#8217;s ratification took effect. The small Jewish community then in America was incredibly enthusiastic because the very same clause that permitted an idolater to become President also made a Jew eligible to become President. It was the first time since the fall of the Roman Empire that any nation had made Jews full citizens. </p>
<p>Worthy of note is that while some of the Founding Fathers were indeed devout, others were anti-religion. Adams, Franklin, and Rush held heretical views and didn&#8217;t hide them; Jefferson had to hide his radical views, and Paine was almost as anti-religion as any 20th century humanist.</p>
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		<title>By: a mamin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a mamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 03:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why all the ranting against Agudah?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why all the ranting against Agudah?</p>
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		<title>By: zamilenger</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 02:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all due respect Mr. Hirsch, your writing here is a oxymoron.

If you dignify this by calling it MARRIAGE, then what&#039;s worng? 

You besmirch the word &quot;marriage&quot; by applying it to their animal lust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect Mr. Hirsch, your writing here is a oxymoron.</p>
<p>If you dignify this by calling it MARRIAGE, then what&#8217;s worng? </p>
<p>You besmirch the word &#8220;marriage&#8221; by applying it to their animal lust.</p>
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		<title>By: QuestionForYou</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the Pledge of Allegiance: &quot;One nation, under G-d.&quot;

End of US Declaration of Independence: &quot;We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, etc.&quot;

End of US Constitution: &quot;Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present, the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, etc.&quot;

It would seem that the U.S. Founding Fathers included G-d in the founding of the U.S.

If this same G-d created from Man&#039;s rib, a Woman, and brought the Woman to the Man (not a Man to the Man) so that the Man shouldn&#039;t be alone (in Genesis) and that the Woman should be a help meet for him, and G-d told them to Be Fruitful and Multiply (He told the Man and the Woman to Be Fruitful and Multiply, not a Man and a Man, or a Woman and a Woman), and He created the Man and Woman with the necessary reproductive organs to Be Fruitful and Multiply together;

and the Man said: &quot;This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; to this shall be called Woman, because out of Man was this one taken.&quot; &quot;Therefore, shall a man leave his FATHER and his MOTHER and shall cleave unto his WIFE; and they shall be one flesh.&quot;

and G-d declared that homosexual relations are an abomination (Toeiva) in Leviticus;

shouldn&#039;t we listen to G-d?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Pledge of Allegiance: &#8220;One nation, under G-d.&#8221;</p>
<p>End of US Declaration of Independence: &#8220;We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>End of US Constitution: &#8220;Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present, the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would seem that the U.S. Founding Fathers included G-d in the founding of the U.S.</p>
<p>If this same G-d created from Man&#8217;s rib, a Woman, and brought the Woman to the Man (not a Man to the Man) so that the Man shouldn&#8217;t be alone (in Genesis) and that the Woman should be a help meet for him, and G-d told them to Be Fruitful and Multiply (He told the Man and the Woman to Be Fruitful and Multiply, not a Man and a Man, or a Woman and a Woman), and He created the Man and Woman with the necessary reproductive organs to Be Fruitful and Multiply together;</p>
<p>and the Man said: &#8220;This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; to this shall be called Woman, because out of Man was this one taken.&#8221; &#8220;Therefore, shall a man leave his FATHER and his MOTHER and shall cleave unto his WIFE; and they shall be one flesh.&#8221;</p>
<p>and G-d declared that homosexual relations are an abomination (Toeiva) in Leviticus;</p>
<p>shouldn&#8217;t we listen to G-d?</p>
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		<title>By: zionflag</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 21:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#7,#13, and others.
 
Orthdox American Jews are passive, in the past, present and probably will continue into the future years also. What happens in the society around us---filters down quietly at first, a little quicker next and then right in our backyards. (directly affects us)
  
  ALL JEWS are hashem&#039;s children and we as sisters, brothers are not willing to write them off and disregard their holy neshamas. Our mantra of LIGHTING THE WAY morally, ethically and spiritually is everlasting and 
applies wherever we are presently living.

Why are same-gender marriages low on the totem pole in the eyes of leadership?  It is not a comfortable, tzinusdik subject to discuss...and there is an attitude that what we talk about will increase in our frum society. TOO LATE it is here already and education is necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7,#13, and others.</p>
<p>Orthdox American Jews are passive, in the past, present and probably will continue into the future years also. What happens in the society around us&#8212;filters down quietly at first, a little quicker next and then right in our backyards. (directly affects us)</p>
<p>  ALL JEWS are hashem&#8217;s children and we as sisters, brothers are not willing to write them off and disregard their holy neshamas. Our mantra of LIGHTING THE WAY morally, ethically and spiritually is everlasting and<br />
applies wherever we are presently living.</p>
<p>Why are same-gender marriages low on the totem pole in the eyes of leadership?  It is not a comfortable, tzinusdik subject to discuss&#8230;and there is an attitude that what we talk about will increase in our frum society. TOO LATE it is here already and education is necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: apushatayid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apushatayid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As for bestiality, that’s just so ridiculous that it’s unthinkable that an intelligent person would raise it&quot;

My gradfather tells me that 75 years ago people said the same thing about homosexuality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for bestiality, that’s just so ridiculous that it’s unthinkable that an intelligent person would raise it&#8221;</p>
<p>My gradfather tells me that 75 years ago people said the same thing about homosexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: esmith92000</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#13 said two hundred years ago we didn&#039;t live here.  Speak for yourself.  Some of us had ancestors who came over more than two hundred years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 said two hundred years ago we didn&#8217;t live here.  Speak for yourself.  Some of us had ancestors who came over more than two hundred years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: akuperma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[akuperma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#7 asked why many of the gedolim attached a low priority to preventing same sex marriage

The most likely answer is that it isn&#039;t very important what they goyim do.  We are just visiting here.  Two-hundred years ago we didn&#039;t live here, and two hundred years ago we&#039;ll be someplace else. While it would be nice if the goyim observed their mitsvos, there&#039;s nothing we can do about it (whether it is their strange sexual practices, or blookdthirsty behaviors, or their larceny, or their dubious religious beliefts).  It isn&#039;t our problem.

What does matter is that the frum Jews focus on doing Torah and Mitsvos. Unless something involved in goyish practices directly affects us, most of the gedolim don&#039;t encourage us to focus on it.  We survive because of yidden doing what we are required to, not because of our neighbors (and admitted, including our long-lost and often non-Jewish cousins) doing what they are prohibted from doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 asked why many of the gedolim attached a low priority to preventing same sex marriage</p>
<p>The most likely answer is that it isn&#8217;t very important what they goyim do.  We are just visiting here.  Two-hundred years ago we didn&#8217;t live here, and two hundred years ago we&#8217;ll be someplace else. While it would be nice if the goyim observed their mitsvos, there&#8217;s nothing we can do about it (whether it is their strange sexual practices, or blookdthirsty behaviors, or their larceny, or their dubious religious beliefts).  It isn&#8217;t our problem.</p>
<p>What does matter is that the frum Jews focus on doing Torah and Mitsvos. Unless something involved in goyish practices directly affects us, most of the gedolim don&#8217;t encourage us to focus on it.  We survive because of yidden doing what we are required to, not because of our neighbors (and admitted, including our long-lost and often non-Jewish cousins) doing what they are prohibted from doing.</p>
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