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		<title>By: JustAGuy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, IF the editor can keep an open mind long enough before deleting this comment, let&#039;s use our MINDS for a minute.... This specific comment is neither for or against the Lakewood Vaad. It just questions the reactions I&#039;ve seen here...

The Lakewood Vaad is a PUBLIC organization which makes PUBLIC recommendations and endorsements on whom to elect to public office. Discussing these endorsments - the endorsments alone, our happiness or unhappiness with our elected officials, and no personal issues of a single Va&#039;ad member - is in NO WAY hearsay or lashon hora.

If people are unhappy with their officials - such as when crime is running rampant and Klal Yisroel is hurting - it is natural to question the judgement and the endorsments of the elected officials.

Again, such questioning is NEITHER LASHON HORA, MOTZI SHEM RA, nor HEARSAY. Those jumping wildly and screaming about hearsay and lashon hora are the ones not being rational or level-headed. I did not read a sinlge comement which said, &quot;I know that so-and-so on the Vaad did this or that.&quot; Nor did I read a single comment to this effect, which COULD constitute lashon hora or hearsay.

Questioning the judgement of public endorsments, (and leaving your comments to those questions and not bringing in any other issues to cloud the comments and bring hearsay into the equation) is in no way lashon hora, and those madly and irrationally screaming about this, perhaps have issues, personal biases, or agendas clouding their level-headedness. I doubt a sinlge rav would pasken that questioning a public endorsment is hearsay or lashon hora.

If this website does not wish to allow comments questioning the Vaad, or if they haven&#039;t the courage to do so, that is their decision. But in all fairness, let&#039;s admit that it has NOTHING to do with hearsay, lashon hora, or airing opinions as opposed to news.

This comment can be deleted too, let&#039;s just be honest about our motives....

&lt;strong&gt;Editors Response:&lt;/strong&gt; You wrote that you did not see any comment which constitutes Lashon Harah........Know why? Because we did not approve close to 75, hate, vile, disgusting, nivul-peh, motzei-shem-ra, lashon hara filled comments. We run this site - and we are not interested in opening the forum to a debate which will DEFINETLY bring Lashon Hara.

You are right. The Vaad is public, and people have the right to question what they do. But read my next sentence C-L-E-A-R-L-Y: PEOPLE WHO ARE HIDING BEHIND A FICTICIUOS SCREEN-NAME, FEEL THAT THEY CAN MOUTH-OFF IN ANY WAY THEY FEEL.

Let them get off the Internet, use their REAL names, and start questioning the Vaad. Since EVERYONE hates them, it should be real easy to get a few thousand signatures on a petition. Call them to a public meeting and bombard them with questions. Make them answer your complaints.

Understand? Good.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, IF the editor can keep an open mind long enough before deleting this comment, let&#8217;s use our MINDS for a minute&#8230;. This specific comment is neither for or against the Lakewood Vaad. It just questions the reactions I&#8217;ve seen here&#8230;</p>
<p>The Lakewood Vaad is a PUBLIC organization which makes PUBLIC recommendations and endorsements on whom to elect to public office. Discussing these endorsments &#8211; the endorsments alone, our happiness or unhappiness with our elected officials, and no personal issues of a single Va&#8217;ad member &#8211; is in NO WAY hearsay or lashon hora.</p>
<p>If people are unhappy with their officials &#8211; such as when crime is running rampant and Klal Yisroel is hurting &#8211; it is natural to question the judgement and the endorsments of the elected officials.</p>
<p>Again, such questioning is NEITHER LASHON HORA, MOTZI SHEM RA, nor HEARSAY. Those jumping wildly and screaming about hearsay and lashon hora are the ones not being rational or level-headed. I did not read a sinlge comement which said, &#8220;I know that so-and-so on the Vaad did this or that.&#8221; Nor did I read a single comment to this effect, which COULD constitute lashon hora or hearsay.</p>
<p>Questioning the judgement of public endorsments, (and leaving your comments to those questions and not bringing in any other issues to cloud the comments and bring hearsay into the equation) is in no way lashon hora, and those madly and irrationally screaming about this, perhaps have issues, personal biases, or agendas clouding their level-headedness. I doubt a sinlge rav would pasken that questioning a public endorsment is hearsay or lashon hora.</p>
<p>If this website does not wish to allow comments questioning the Vaad, or if they haven&#8217;t the courage to do so, that is their decision. But in all fairness, let&#8217;s admit that it has NOTHING to do with hearsay, lashon hora, or airing opinions as opposed to news.</p>
<p>This comment can be deleted too, let&#8217;s just be honest about our motives&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Editors Response:</strong> You wrote that you did not see any comment which constitutes Lashon Harah&#8230;&#8230;..Know why? Because we did not approve close to 75, hate, vile, disgusting, nivul-peh, motzei-shem-ra, lashon hara filled comments. We run this site &#8211; and we are not interested in opening the forum to a debate which will DEFINETLY bring Lashon Hara.</p>
<p>You are right. The Vaad is public, and people have the right to question what they do. But read my next sentence C-L-E-A-R-L-Y: PEOPLE WHO ARE HIDING BEHIND A FICTICIUOS SCREEN-NAME, FEEL THAT THEY CAN MOUTH-OFF IN ANY WAY THEY FEEL.</p>
<p>Let them get off the Internet, use their REAL names, and start questioning the Vaad. Since EVERYONE hates them, it should be real easy to get a few thousand signatures on a petition. Call them to a public meeting and bombard them with questions. Make them answer your complaints.</p>
<p>Understand? Good.</p>
<p>This comment section is CLOSED.</p>
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		<title>By: tzippi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[24, 29 - we are in galus. I too live in an area where we think we (at least the men) can walk alone at night. But think of the tochacha.
15 - dig up an Artcroll siddur, find Av HaRachamim, and see what Rav Hirsch has to say about nekama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24, 29 &#8211; we are in galus. I too live in an area where we think we (at least the men) can walk alone at night. But think of the tochacha.<br />
15 &#8211; dig up an Artcroll siddur, find Av HaRachamim, and see what Rav Hirsch has to say about nekama.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzBuz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not going to sit here and debate if the vaad is doing the right thing if the PD is etc. However I will post what I do know (from inside info - yes I know what I am talking about).

There is a gang presence in Lakewood by MULTIPLE gangs. This has been a problem for several years. Amongst them the notorious MS13 (which is predominantly a Latin gang). The different guys do not get along and there are shootings between them. Most of the Lakewood community does not know about this. Lately the State Police has been hanging around Lakewood for a while. There sole purpose was to crack down on the gangs (there is a state wide effort on this). They picked the towns that are being hit the most. Based on the nature of the crime that was committed it would be easy to assume that this was done by a &quot;gang banger&quot;. For what reason I am unsure (they have been known in the past to do such crimes as part of initiation in to the gang).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not going to sit here and debate if the vaad is doing the right thing if the PD is etc. However I will post what I do know (from inside info &#8211; yes I know what I am talking about).</p>
<p>There is a gang presence in Lakewood by MULTIPLE gangs. This has been a problem for several years. Amongst them the notorious MS13 (which is predominantly a Latin gang). The different guys do not get along and there are shootings between them. Most of the Lakewood community does not know about this. Lately the State Police has been hanging around Lakewood for a while. There sole purpose was to crack down on the gangs (there is a state wide effort on this). They picked the towns that are being hit the most. Based on the nature of the crime that was committed it would be easy to assume that this was done by a &#8220;gang banger&#8221;. For what reason I am unsure (they have been known in the past to do such crimes as part of initiation in to the gang).</p>
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		<title>By: por</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s all daven that all the relevant governmental and nongovernmental bodies take whatever action is required to eliminate crime. Has there ever been talk of starting a citizen&#039;s patrol similar to the one which has had such remarkable results in Baltimore?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s all daven that all the relevant governmental and nongovernmental bodies take whatever action is required to eliminate crime. Has there ever been talk of starting a citizen&#8217;s patrol similar to the one which has had such remarkable results in Baltimore?</p>
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		<title>By: rbsyid</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hashem Yerachem.
Unfortunately, Anti-semitism is on the rise worldwide with people getting beaten up in US, UK, Russia, Australia and Swastikas getting painted on shuls in Israel!!!
Let us take this as a reminder that we are still in golus and we need to keep a low profile and not instigate trouble and Chillul Hashem.
We may not permit ourselves the luxury of getting too comfortabel in any country and sometimes Hashem needs to remind us that America is not a Jewish homeland.

To the person who complained about only reporting Tzorros: would you prefer not to know what is happening to yidden all over?
You can visit Onlysinchos if you want to only read about simchos!

Hashem should end this painful golus bekarov!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hashem Yerachem.<br />
Unfortunately, Anti-semitism is on the rise worldwide with people getting beaten up in US, UK, Russia, Australia and Swastikas getting painted on shuls in Israel!!!<br />
Let us take this as a reminder that we are still in golus and we need to keep a low profile and not instigate trouble and Chillul Hashem.<br />
We may not permit ourselves the luxury of getting too comfortabel in any country and sometimes Hashem needs to remind us that America is not a Jewish homeland.</p>
<p>To the person who complained about only reporting Tzorros: would you prefer not to know what is happening to yidden all over?<br />
You can visit Onlysinchos if you want to only read about simchos!</p>
<p>Hashem should end this painful golus bekarov!</p>
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		<title>By: YerushalayimIrKodesh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, we sure do have to do something 
&quot;Ve&#039;hoyoh Mechanecha Kodosh Velo
Yireh Becho Ervas Dovar Veshov Meacharecha&quot;.
We have to remember that Ha-shems is sending us these messages &amp; we can go to the poice or where ever but it doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s supposed to happen it will these are just messages. Of course we have to do our hishtadlous but at the end if Ha-shem wants it to happen it will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we sure do have to do something<br />
&#8220;Ve&#8217;hoyoh Mechanecha Kodosh Velo<br />
Yireh Becho Ervas Dovar Veshov Meacharecha&#8221;.<br />
We have to remember that Ha-shems is sending us these messages &amp; we can go to the poice or where ever but it doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s supposed to happen it will these are just messages. Of course we have to do our hishtadlous but at the end if Ha-shem wants it to happen it will.</p>
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		<title>By: dj123</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks editor well said 
hope to hear you always stick up fot things like that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks editor well said<br />
hope to hear you always stick up fot things like that</p>
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		<title>By: lifeisgood</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that everyone is finished venting...does anyone know how the victim is doing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that everyone is finished venting&#8230;does anyone know how the victim is doing?</p>
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		<title>By: savelkwd</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did reach  out to our askanim after rosh hashana. I emailed one askin and received a reply that he would call me shortly and understood the situation was serious.  it took 1-2 days and he did call back and left a message but not to the number I requested. . I then saw this askan chol hamoed who briefly sugested I speak to another askin.
GREAT
I live in the ridge and 7th area. a state trooper told me recently that we had 3 shootings. the trooper informed me that lakewood camden and trenton are under the &quot;cease fire&quot; plan to curb the gang and extreme violince that follows with them.
other recent incidents of women being attacked in our area. one was beaten.

first of all call the cops so they have a report of incidents. the more reported problems the more they will patrol your area -hopefully. every call is recorded.

we must call upon all landlords and remove the bad influcences as most of these homes are bloods gang related or illegal aliens.

I spoke to one landlord and explained to him the atmosphere and the threats the occupants of his home are doing including the 3 pit bulls behind his house and the $50k BMG parked damaged behind his house.. he claims he might sell. we are giving him a week to make his mind up before the rest of the heighboorhood calls him to voice there opinion. other legal manners will take place if the situation is not resolved. we will ask for a psak to post names and info to contact if the landlords don&#039;t clear these homes out. ridge and 7th area has never been this bad .  We ,our wives and kids can not be afraid of walking or even driving down the street without being verbaly or physicaly threatned. 

crime in lakewood is out of control

its time to open your mouth in a respective yet firm way  if you want to live in safe lakewood.

if you don&#039;t , don&#039;t expect any changes. go to the town meetings and voice your opinion]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did reach  out to our askanim after rosh hashana. I emailed one askin and received a reply that he would call me shortly and understood the situation was serious.  it took 1-2 days and he did call back and left a message but not to the number I requested. . I then saw this askan chol hamoed who briefly sugested I speak to another askin.<br />
GREAT<br />
I live in the ridge and 7th area. a state trooper told me recently that we had 3 shootings. the trooper informed me that lakewood camden and trenton are under the &#8220;cease fire&#8221; plan to curb the gang and extreme violince that follows with them.<br />
other recent incidents of women being attacked in our area. one was beaten.</p>
<p>first of all call the cops so they have a report of incidents. the more reported problems the more they will patrol your area -hopefully. every call is recorded.</p>
<p>we must call upon all landlords and remove the bad influcences as most of these homes are bloods gang related or illegal aliens.</p>
<p>I spoke to one landlord and explained to him the atmosphere and the threats the occupants of his home are doing including the 3 pit bulls behind his house and the $50k BMG parked damaged behind his house.. he claims he might sell. we are giving him a week to make his mind up before the rest of the heighboorhood calls him to voice there opinion. other legal manners will take place if the situation is not resolved. we will ask for a psak to post names and info to contact if the landlords don&#8217;t clear these homes out. ridge and 7th area has never been this bad .  We ,our wives and kids can not be afraid of walking or even driving down the street without being verbaly or physicaly threatned. </p>
<p>crime in lakewood is out of control</p>
<p>its time to open your mouth in a respective yet firm way  if you want to live in safe lakewood.</p>
<p>if you don&#8217;t , don&#8217;t expect any changes. go to the town meetings and voice your opinion</p>
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		<title>By: LKWDHACKER</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE THE CHUTZPA TO EVEN THINK OF STANDING UP FOR THE RESHAIM (LKWD POLICE) YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE MORE COPS PER PERSON HERE THAN IN ANY OTHER CITY AND THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DIRECT TRAFFIC WHEN THERE IS SOME TOW TRUCK OR DUMP TRUCK DOING SOME WORK ON THE SHOULDER THAT THEY ARE NOT NEEDED FOR LET THEM DO WHAT WE THE TAXPAYERS (WE ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAYING FOR HOMES IN THE COUNTRY) ARE PAYING THEM FOR TO WATCH US OUR HOMES SHULS SCHOOLS AND NOW RABEIIM LET THEM KNOW THAT WE CARE AND WE NEED EXPECT AND WANT TO SEE A CHANGE WETHER IT MEANS DOING SOMTHING DRASTIC LIKE SOME OF YOU MENTIONED OR BY WRITING CALLING OR STORMING THE POLICE STATION SOMTHINGS FINALLY GOT TO HAPPEN]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE THE CHUTZPA TO EVEN THINK OF STANDING UP FOR THE RESHAIM (LKWD POLICE) YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE MORE COPS PER PERSON HERE THAN IN ANY OTHER CITY AND THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DIRECT TRAFFIC WHEN THERE IS SOME TOW TRUCK OR DUMP TRUCK DOING SOME WORK ON THE SHOULDER THAT THEY ARE NOT NEEDED FOR LET THEM DO WHAT WE THE TAXPAYERS (WE ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAYING FOR HOMES IN THE COUNTRY) ARE PAYING THEM FOR TO WATCH US OUR HOMES SHULS SCHOOLS AND NOW RABEIIM LET THEM KNOW THAT WE CARE AND WE NEED EXPECT AND WANT TO SEE A CHANGE WETHER IT MEANS DOING SOMTHING DRASTIC LIKE SOME OF YOU MENTIONED OR BY WRITING CALLING OR STORMING THE POLICE STATION SOMTHINGS FINALLY GOT TO HAPPEN</p>
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