No one on this thread doubts that H-ashem has reasons for everything. That doesn’t mean Jews shouldn’t think and comment on vital issues of the day, lest we end up making sadly uninformed remarks like yours.

Jews do several things:

1) Do more talmud Torah.

2) Do more davvening.

3) Perform more deeds of kindness.

4) Paradoxicaly, be very careful of ALL goy
including me.

Doing the above will benefit you personally, your families, Jews everywhere, Israel and the world too.

Toddah rabbah,
A goy, shalom

Gerry Mullen

FDR. Didn’t give a hoot about the Jews in Europe. The war got us out of the depression not the new deal

Truman. Recognized the state of Israel but didn’t send any aid to help the Jews survive

Eisenhauer. Pressured Israel during the Suez Campaign to give up her gains

Kennedy. Too short of a term

LBJ not much help in the 6 day war and creator of the welfare state (ultimately bad unless you believe in income transference) & the Viet Nam mess (he didn’t play to win).

Nixon. Saved Israel during Yom Kipur war

Ford. Too short

Carter destroyed the economy with hyper-inflationnot seen since the Civil War (peace treaty with Egypt not the best thing especially with him turning out to be a rabid anti-semite)

Reagan great on both international & domestic fronts

Bush didn’t damage Israel(albeit he did pressure them on certain issues) but did damage Saddam Hussein

Clinton. Utter fiasco on all fronts. Anything he did well was because the republican congress forced him too. His only accomplishment was NAFTA

Bush great if not greater than Reagan (he didn’t bail out like Reagan did in Lebanon when 240 marines were killed)

So if you want the republicans to take over congress vote Hillary. If you want a safe country and someone that wants to do the right thing, not just grab for power, vote Republican.

I believe that any comparisons with past history are false. First, as others have pointed out, past generations had great leaders, true gedolim who applied daas Torah to everything they did. Second, the situation in the past was quite different. In many generations, great leaders had to associate with wicked people because Jewish lives were literally endangered. The support of a king or the friendship of a bishop could be the difference between life and death when the mobs ran wild.

In a similar sense, even when these associations were made for financial reasons, it was often the virtual equivalent of a life and death matter, because the poverty was so great that the specter of starvation, homelessness and exile always loomed large.

Today, thank G-d, we do not face the same kinds of threats. I don’t think we need Hillary Clinton in the White House to prevent pogroms. Likewise, the economic benefits of associating with this machsheifa are not so desperately needed as to suspend all Torah values and principles as in a pikuach nefesh situation. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the entire framework of always schnorring from the government has profoundly demoralized large segments of the frum world, making them pathetically dependent on handouts and unable to cope on their own. I don’t blame them for being poor or needy, just that they have been misguided into answering that need at the cost of a basic human value of self reliance.

Of course, it’s all up to H-shem, but when we make hishtadlus, let’s look at what’s at stake
Let our attitude be: the surrender of single Torah value is not worth all the money in the world or even in Washington.

PS. Not to pick on anyone unfairly, but I was struck by ltoeles harabim’s (what a noble sounding name!) comment at #207. He apparently prefers Tip O’Neill to Pirkei Avos. The point of forming contacts is well taken, but one has to consider the price.

Rebbe Yohanan Hasandler said: Any assembly which is not for the sake of Heaven, is not destined to endure. I pray that the organizers acted L’shem shamayim. But I dread the election of a truly wicked person.