Comments on: Out Of The Mailbag – To YW Editor (My Trip To Boro Park)

By: Moe

Moe — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:14:03 +0000

Feif Un (187) – Sorry – it’s innocence. A child who’s already demonstrating the maturity of helping out a fellow Yid will likely not remain a child forever and will realize that Frumkeit has little to do with clothing.

By: Moe

Moe — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:42:50 +0000

#180 – Feif Un

Like #182 said – this is a child and all I can have for him is praise for helping a fellow Yid who he thought needed help. It may be humorous and confirm certain grievances you have with the more sheltered communities, but for the child it was an absolutely beautiful thing for him to do.

By: Proud KAJ-WH TIDE Guy

Proud KAJ-WH TIDE Guy — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:34:04 +0000

Derech Eretz is old-fashioned and not applicable today. Size and style of hats are much more important. People ask when a prospective shidduch candidate is suggested;not what are his middos,but about length of peyos and style of hat,size of brim,etc. I’ve personally heard these discussions among co-workers.

By: mdlevine

mdlevine — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:47:03 +0000

re post 173 – I saw an interesting event while in someones house. the small child was watching a dvd calling chutzpah = mukzah. the kid watched the whole video and when it was over, he was screaming at his mommy to change the dvd to something else (ok, he was only 2-1/2).

By: tzippi

tzippi — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:58:52 +0000

Thanks 173. I think the kids’ programs are great, but I’m thinking of something for grownups. Posters, bumper stickers, something with an edge, that will make people smile, vs. simply pesukim, or that could make people defensive (“who are these holier than thou people putting up these posters”, etc.) and think, and think again.

I’m working on it

By: frimchebubche

frimchebubche — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:19:14 +0000

think first –

OF COURSE we have to think before we act – then many times the “unintentional” actions won’t occur in the first place!!!!
what does that have anything to do with ‘dan l’kaf zchuus???

& btw – this blog isnt what gets me angry -i was already before this just brings it out in the open & MAYBE MAYBE after reading this whol blog someone might act differently in the future!

By: charlie brown

charlie brown — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:37:28 +0000

#180,
We’re talking about a child! Don’t put your preconceived ill will into a child’s head. He probably has never seen anyone w/o chasidishe clothes davening, so he assumed such people don’t daven. It’s innocence not hate.

I grew up in a neighborhood without any shtreimel wearers. The first time I saw one – when I was about 6 or 7 years old – I thought the guy was dressing up as if it were purim. Not because I was indoctrinated to hate chasidim but because I had never seen such a thing before.

By: mdlevine

mdlevine — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:01:48 +0000

years ago I dovened into a small Chassidish Steible in Monsey for Shabbos Mincha – the place was filled with Chassidim. The 1st and 3rd aliyas went to fellows wearing {gasp} white, straw hats and both guys were clean shaven!

additionally, I have been in New Square several times and have dovened there on a few of those times. I find the New Square people to be very welcoming of people not from New Square. Several years ago, I went to watch the Rebbi light Chanukah candles. I sat on a bench with my boys and someone told me not to sit there but to move over to a different area and he explained from where I was, I wouldn’t see anything. I moved to the other area and while waiting, the Gabbai came and sat next to me (I knew then that I must be in the good seating area). sure enough, a direct line view to the Rebbi

By: tomim tihye

tomim tihye — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:29:03 +0000

HaChover Reb Yekke (169, 172):
Certainly, no one is exempt from the obligation to treat people with Derech Eretz. I feel badly that you are having a difficult time with some of the people in your neighborhood.

Regarding the Hatzolo member who cuts ahead of you in line, his aggressive nature might be part of his being active on Hatzolo, constantly jumping to answer calls. I’m positive that he never intentionally cut the line, but rather saw you standing there and either decided that you weren’t on that particular line or thought that you were still deciding whether you were finished shopping.
Concerning the shiur-giver who schmoozes in shul, why not daven for yeshuos in his family?
Also, please be aware that there are some people who find it easier to respond to a “Good Shabbos” that is said with the warmth of Ahavas Yisroel.
Not to pardon the absence of a thank you for a gift, but the months after a simcho are often extremely hectic, and by the time things settle down enough to write those cards, the ba’alei hasimcho are frequently embarassed to send them so late; sometimes they think that those who gave the gifts already forgot by now.

May I remind you of what you well know: that there are numerous people in your vicinity who excel in Bein Odom Lachaveiro.

Thank you for reading my defense of those fellows in what you so aptly termed “Derech Eretz Land.”

By: Moe

Moe — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:25:04 +0000

#176 –

Story #1 is a real Nebich that can make you cry. I hope the guilty party read it so he can be Mekabel Tochacha.

Story #2 is absolutely beautiful. That child must have received a wonderful Chinuch. He should be a model for what this thread is hoping to accomplish.

I happen to know of a story similar to the New Square story that took place in *Kiryas Yoel*, as a matter of fact. The only difference is that the person really needed the childs help, and that encounter actually led to a relationship that has continued for over 20 years and counting. It had a part in producing 2 generations of Bnai Torah.