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		<title>By: rb</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a comment to #1 who said,

&quot;the extra time it takes to move my car in the manner that you request, is actually taking away much needed time that can be better used learning or doing work on behalf of klal yisroel&quot;

I think that your time would be put to better  use by moving your car up a few inches rather than hanging around on Yeshiva World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a comment to #1 who said,</p>
<p>&#8220;the extra time it takes to move my car in the manner that you request, is actually taking away much needed time that can be better used learning or doing work on behalf of klal yisroel&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that your time would be put to better  use by moving your car up a few inches rather than hanging around on Yeshiva World.</p>
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		<title>By: Proud KAJ-WH TIDE Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Proud KAJ-WH TIDE Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An old NYC trick was using &quot;Imitation fire hydrants&quot;. During  the 60&#039;s,the novelty stores downtown sold imitation fire hydrants that looked like the real thing. The driver would ,when he left the spot at where he was parked, put that &quot;hydrant&quot; on the curb and then drive off. It worked so well for a while that the Traffic Dept. started painting the curb RED where the REAL hydrants were.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An old NYC trick was using &#8220;Imitation fire hydrants&#8221;. During  the 60&#8242;s,the novelty stores downtown sold imitation fire hydrants that looked like the real thing. The driver would ,when he left the spot at where he was parked, put that &#8220;hydrant&#8221; on the curb and then drive off. It worked so well for a while that the Traffic Dept. started painting the curb RED where the REAL hydrants were.</p>
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		<title>By: Challahback</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what about the people who have driveways but insist on parking on the street? Theres your answer why you will be circling for a spot at 11 pm for a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about the people who have driveways but insist on parking on the street? Theres your answer why you will be circling for a spot at 11 pm for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: DM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you all see that #1 is being funny!?!  He is not serious.  For some reason many NYers to not understand sarcasm.  I love it, #1.  Your post made me smile.

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What #7 said is very true. The cars in front of you or behind you can change, and wind up making you look bad.

Another point, like #13 said, is that if you move up too close in front, and the car behind you leave, and the new parker behind you pulled up too close to you, you are trapped.

I once missed a flight because of this. I parked at night, leaving just enough room for me to get out in front.  But, the front car left, and a new car parked in his place and backed up almost to my bumper. I was unable to move the car at all.

When I park in Brooklyn, I will not even take a parking place if I can&#039;t leave enough space both in front and behind, so I can get out if one of them switches and parks on my bumper.

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That is another point.  If you park too close to a car in front of you or behind you, you may be preventing him/her to move his car out.  What if that car you are blocking &quot;to make room for more parkers&quot; is the car of a woman close to giving birth.  

LEAVE  ROOM behind and ahead of you.  Do NOT park on people&#039;s bumpers, THAT is a lack of Derech Eretz.

Also, parking too close can mean the person can&#039;t get to his trunk, or hood, ... or a tow truck can&#039;t get him out if he is broken down.

Derech Eretz is not necessarily trying to squeeze in as many cars as possible, but to make sure you are not blocking someone&#039;s car from getting out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you all see that #1 is being funny!?!  He is not serious.  For some reason many NYers to not understand sarcasm.  I love it, #1.  Your post made me smile.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>What #7 said is very true. The cars in front of you or behind you can change, and wind up making you look bad.</p>
<p>Another point, like #13 said, is that if you move up too close in front, and the car behind you leave, and the new parker behind you pulled up too close to you, you are trapped.</p>
<p>I once missed a flight because of this. I parked at night, leaving just enough room for me to get out in front.  But, the front car left, and a new car parked in his place and backed up almost to my bumper. I was unable to move the car at all.</p>
<p>When I park in Brooklyn, I will not even take a parking place if I can&#8217;t leave enough space both in front and behind, so I can get out if one of them switches and parks on my bumper.</p>
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That is another point.  If you park too close to a car in front of you or behind you, you may be preventing him/her to move his car out.  What if that car you are blocking &#8220;to make room for more parkers&#8221; is the car of a woman close to giving birth.  </p>
<p>LEAVE  ROOM behind and ahead of you.  Do NOT park on people&#8217;s bumpers, THAT is a lack of Derech Eretz.</p>
<p>Also, parking too close can mean the person can&#8217;t get to his trunk, or hood, &#8230; or a tow truck can&#8217;t get him out if he is broken down.</p>
<p>Derech Eretz is not necessarily trying to squeeze in as many cars as possible, but to make sure you are not blocking someone&#8217;s car from getting out.</p>
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		<title>By: YeshivaRodefKesef</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the first comment writer mt mehdi, You are Stam a mishuginer,michusor deiah no reason to respond to you. As far as the poster, heres a eitzah. Get bigger bumpers or push guards on your car and make yourself room. As a added bonus if the car taking up two spots could be pushed to the front of a hydrant or back into a bus stop, better yet- push him into the middle of an intersection. Trust me it works!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the first comment writer mt mehdi, You are Stam a mishuginer,michusor deiah no reason to respond to you. As far as the poster, heres a eitzah. Get bigger bumpers or push guards on your car and make yourself room. As a added bonus if the car taking up two spots could be pushed to the front of a hydrant or back into a bus stop, better yet- push him into the middle of an intersection. Trust me it works!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: gezunt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pls all u out there make it short &amp; sweet]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pls all u out there make it short &amp; sweet</p>
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		<title>By: Proud KAJ-WH TIDE Guy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To P.P.(&#039;proud parker&#039;)Some people in NY &#039;share&#039; parking spots. They also have each other&#039;s car keys. When A parks,he purposely takes  up more space than he needs (this is easy to do right after alternate-side is just about over for the day).then when B comes and wants to park,he double-parks next to A&#039;s car,takes out A&#039;s car key,and moves the car into the extra space (which was not enough space for a car. Now there is more room on the front (or back) of A&#039;s car,enough for B to move his car into. This is neighborly &quot;teamwork&quot; Another wrong and illegal act is putting in coins into an almost expired meter,whether for yourself or for someone else. If you stay at the spot all day,like some shop-owners do,they just pay a small parking fee  for the day,not letting others have a chance. If you put change into a meter about to expire,just because you want to save the car owner a ticket,you are also robbing another driver from a chance to park,and also taking away revenue from the city that depends on parking fines. It is a lack of derech eretz to benefit one individual(illegally) at the expense of another.
To #1: Your Torah learning is no mitzvah if it is done at someone else&#039;s trouble. Also,if you were such a real Torah-learner,you would not be mevatel Torah for shtus on the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To P.P.(&#8216;proud parker&#8217;)Some people in NY &#8216;share&#8217; parking spots. They also have each other&#8217;s car keys. When A parks,he purposely takes  up more space than he needs (this is easy to do right after alternate-side is just about over for the day).then when B comes and wants to park,he double-parks next to A&#8217;s car,takes out A&#8217;s car key,and moves the car into the extra space (which was not enough space for a car. Now there is more room on the front (or back) of A&#8217;s car,enough for B to move his car into. This is neighborly &#8220;teamwork&#8221; Another wrong and illegal act is putting in coins into an almost expired meter,whether for yourself or for someone else. If you stay at the spot all day,like some shop-owners do,they just pay a small parking fee  for the day,not letting others have a chance. If you put change into a meter about to expire,just because you want to save the car owner a ticket,you are also robbing another driver from a chance to park,and also taking away revenue from the city that depends on parking fines. It is a lack of derech eretz to benefit one individual(illegally) at the expense of another.<br />
To #1: Your Torah learning is no mitzvah if it is done at someone else&#8217;s trouble. Also,if you were such a real Torah-learner,you would not be mevatel Torah for shtus on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: leveledandsane</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#1
Get your priorities straight. Whats your learning worth if you do it on yenna&#039;s cheshbon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1<br />
Get your priorities straight. Whats your learning worth if you do it on yenna&#8217;s cheshbon.</p>
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		<title>By: mdlevine</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#36 - if it is true L&#039;H it wouldn&#039;t be posted here on YW.  If it did get posted and someone sent an email or a post to the editor, it will be removed - I have seen this happen &amp; I have requested privately (email) that the editor review and remove a particular post - and it was removed.

now, if I haven&#039;t convinced you (which is fine), you (and all those who call out L&#039;H) have a question for your Local Orthodox Rabbi regarding visiting this website and reading the posts.  If you believe that it is L&#039;H and we know that reading L&#039;H is not permitted, you cannot view the articles and the posts - reading it and deciding on a one-by-one basis will not work b/c by definition, you will have violated the laws (according to your understanding) of L&#039;H.  

Now with that said, should one believe what is said by each person who sends a letter or posts an entry - I would say --- no.  hopefully, whomever posts a story/comment is being truthful, however, as post #1 demonstrates, posts and truth are sometimes unrelated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#36 &#8211; if it is true L&#8217;H it wouldn&#8217;t be posted here on YW.  If it did get posted and someone sent an email or a post to the editor, it will be removed &#8211; I have seen this happen &amp; I have requested privately (email) that the editor review and remove a particular post &#8211; and it was removed.</p>
<p>now, if I haven&#8217;t convinced you (which is fine), you (and all those who call out L&#8217;H) have a question for your Local Orthodox Rabbi regarding visiting this website and reading the posts.  If you believe that it is L&#8217;H and we know that reading L&#8217;H is not permitted, you cannot view the articles and the posts &#8211; reading it and deciding on a one-by-one basis will not work b/c by definition, you will have violated the laws (according to your understanding) of L&#8217;H.  </p>
<p>Now with that said, should one believe what is said by each person who sends a letter or posts an entry &#8211; I would say &#8212; no.  hopefully, whomever posts a story/comment is being truthful, however, as post #1 demonstrates, posts and truth are sometimes unrelated.</p>
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		<title>By: shkoyach</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OOPS I forgot a major point!! About the concern of knocking off ppls bumpers if you are too close--- let me tell you a chidush... If you take a second to pull out carefully and slowly you can softly softly tap the edge of the car and not even a drop of paint will wipe off... remember a baysoft tap... and then you are ok... but tap it as softly as you wouldnt mind yours being tapped. And if you are scared of being parked in... dont worry a few baby taps and I&#039;ll teach ya how to get of the spot in no time! (ok maybe a few extra seconds but its worth it for the zchus!) Living in tight parking zone to begin with - enough practice teaches you how to get out of anything when done right! 

Besides, Almost all blocks have driveways so you will prob have room to back up or pull frward to get out of a spot that has a neighbor parked proudly in front or behind yours. I hear that big streets taka may be more of a parked in too tight problem but ay, You do what you can and the Aibeshter does the rest!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOPS I forgot a major point!! About the concern of knocking off ppls bumpers if you are too close&#8212; let me tell you a chidush&#8230; If you take a second to pull out carefully and slowly you can softly softly tap the edge of the car and not even a drop of paint will wipe off&#8230; remember a baysoft tap&#8230; and then you are ok&#8230; but tap it as softly as you wouldnt mind yours being tapped. And if you are scared of being parked in&#8230; dont worry a few baby taps and I&#8217;ll teach ya how to get of the spot in no time! (ok maybe a few extra seconds but its worth it for the zchus!) Living in tight parking zone to begin with &#8211; enough practice teaches you how to get out of anything when done right! </p>
<p>Besides, Almost all blocks have driveways so you will prob have room to back up or pull frward to get out of a spot that has a neighbor parked proudly in front or behind yours. I hear that big streets taka may be more of a parked in too tight problem but ay, You do what you can and the Aibeshter does the rest!</p>
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