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		<title>By: mikeyG</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s look in Choshen Mispat... I think the store owner should tell the yeshiva to mind its own business (I suppose he already did). It&#039;s not their street, it&#039;s not their store and storeowner isn&#039;t doing anything wrong, not according to Din Torah or Din Malchous. If the yeshiva boys want to be very frum, they can do it on their own dime - it&#039;s not the storekeeper&#039;s problem, he&#039;s just trying to make a living. 

This thread is so typical of what is wrong in the yeshiva world today - making a big tzimus because someone decided that since they want to be very frum, the whole world must stop what they&#039;re doing and cater to them, while neglecting simple choshen mishpat that is fundamental to the Torah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look in Choshen Mispat&#8230; I think the store owner should tell the yeshiva to mind its own business (I suppose he already did). It&#8217;s not their street, it&#8217;s not their store and storeowner isn&#8217;t doing anything wrong, not according to Din Torah or Din Malchous. If the yeshiva boys want to be very frum, they can do it on their own dime &#8211; it&#8217;s not the storekeeper&#8217;s problem, he&#8217;s just trying to make a living. </p>
<p>This thread is so typical of what is wrong in the yeshiva world today &#8211; making a big tzimus because someone decided that since they want to be very frum, the whole world must stop what they&#8217;re doing and cater to them, while neglecting simple choshen mishpat that is fundamental to the Torah.</p>
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		<title>By: shaynuk77</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To G - reply no. 85:

You said, and I quote:

&quot;It’s easy to find fault with the actions of others, much harder to provide a better way.&quot;

I&#039;m not trying to &quot;find fault&quot; with others. 

I am saying, however, that the replies to this article have grown from those of concern and possibly discussions of how to correct or deal with the issue, to insults and slander (the article is about tznius and propriety, not about attitudes, prices, ganavim /thieves/ and the like) and bringing in those comments are most definitely spreading lashon horah.

If we feel so strongly about the issues that we feel the need to spread the word to help protect our people, and keep from being tainted by impurities and obstacles, etc., then we should be just as concerned and vigilant about the souls being affected by slander and the spreading of nasty comments; those comments do absolutely nothing to help solve the problem and only aggravate things futher.

As for how those who feel that this is wrong should deal with this or respond? I would suggest approaching your community rabbi or leader, perhaps having a lecture, workshops or speeches to inform the community as to the dangers, along with the whys and wherefores, etc. (That&#039;s not to say that it is the rabbir or leaders job alone to instruct, but it may be helpful if a person in a position of authority and respect would try to reach out to the people to explain in ways the average person may not be able.

Furthermore, if we have these problems to begin with, one would think that the laws haven&#039;t been impressed properly upon the community at large and as such, should be stressed in the home and schools and kehillas across the globe. You can&#039;t slap a bandange on a disease; it needs to be treated at the core.

I understand that passing on the message is important and alerting the public to the infraction may be wise, but it should be done in a respectful manner, and when possible, and educative one.

One would like to think that we are all mature mentchen. If we care so much about these issues and are so intent on rectifying them or spreading the word so others don&#039;t end up suffering from it (i.e. viewing inappropriate materials, etc.), then surely we also care about preserving our fellow man from spreading lashon horah, too?

Wishing you and all Klal Yisroel all the best,
Shaynuk77]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To G &#8211; reply no. 85:</p>
<p>You said, and I quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s easy to find fault with the actions of others, much harder to provide a better way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to &#8220;find fault&#8221; with others. </p>
<p>I am saying, however, that the replies to this article have grown from those of concern and possibly discussions of how to correct or deal with the issue, to insults and slander (the article is about tznius and propriety, not about attitudes, prices, ganavim /thieves/ and the like) and bringing in those comments are most definitely spreading lashon horah.</p>
<p>If we feel so strongly about the issues that we feel the need to spread the word to help protect our people, and keep from being tainted by impurities and obstacles, etc., then we should be just as concerned and vigilant about the souls being affected by slander and the spreading of nasty comments; those comments do absolutely nothing to help solve the problem and only aggravate things futher.</p>
<p>As for how those who feel that this is wrong should deal with this or respond? I would suggest approaching your community rabbi or leader, perhaps having a lecture, workshops or speeches to inform the community as to the dangers, along with the whys and wherefores, etc. (That&#8217;s not to say that it is the rabbir or leaders job alone to instruct, but it may be helpful if a person in a position of authority and respect would try to reach out to the people to explain in ways the average person may not be able.</p>
<p>Furthermore, if we have these problems to begin with, one would think that the laws haven&#8217;t been impressed properly upon the community at large and as such, should be stressed in the home and schools and kehillas across the globe. You can&#8217;t slap a bandange on a disease; it needs to be treated at the core.</p>
<p>I understand that passing on the message is important and alerting the public to the infraction may be wise, but it should be done in a respectful manner, and when possible, and educative one.</p>
<p>One would like to think that we are all mature mentchen. If we care so much about these issues and are so intent on rectifying them or spreading the word so others don&#8217;t end up suffering from it (i.e. viewing inappropriate materials, etc.), then surely we also care about preserving our fellow man from spreading lashon horah, too?</p>
<p>Wishing you and all Klal Yisroel all the best,<br />
Shaynuk77</p>
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		<title>By: nurse32</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our high school was located right next to a Yeshivah Katana. We were not allowed by the school administration to pass the Yeshivah. We were forced to cross the street, circle the whole block to go to school, so not to walk directly in front of the Yeshivah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our high school was located right next to a Yeshivah Katana. We were not allowed by the school administration to pass the Yeshivah. We were forced to cross the street, circle the whole block to go to school, so not to walk directly in front of the Yeshivah.</p>
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		<title>By: nurse32</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoever said that the Bais Hamikdosh was destroyed because of tznius should know that from the time the world was created men have always blamed their wife for anything that happened. Odom blamed chavah for eating the aits hadas, &quot;It was not my fault, my wife made me do it!&quot;
And why take the blame for the destruction of the Bais Hamikdosh? &quot;It&#039;s the fault of the women!&quot;
The real simple reason was because the MEN! where busy killing themselves so they had no energy left to fight the intruders. There were several factions, and if you know some history you will know that even kohanim while in the Bais Hamikdosh doing the avoide, hid knives under their bigdei kohanima and killed Jews from the rival factions who came oile regel. How about the Jews who burnt all the stored food?
Had they been reunited and not killed each other, this would never have happened. 
So stop playing the blame game, and start taking responsibility for your actions.
Less Jews,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever said that the Bais Hamikdosh was destroyed because of tznius should know that from the time the world was created men have always blamed their wife for anything that happened. Odom blamed chavah for eating the aits hadas, &#8220;It was not my fault, my wife made me do it!&#8221;<br />
And why take the blame for the destruction of the Bais Hamikdosh? &#8220;It&#8217;s the fault of the women!&#8221;<br />
The real simple reason was because the MEN! where busy killing themselves so they had no energy left to fight the intruders. There were several factions, and if you know some history you will know that even kohanim while in the Bais Hamikdosh doing the avoide, hid knives under their bigdei kohanima and killed Jews from the rival factions who came oile regel. How about the Jews who burnt all the stored food?<br />
Had they been reunited and not killed each other, this would never have happened.<br />
So stop playing the blame game, and start taking responsibility for your actions.<br />
Less Jews,</p>
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		<title>By: iJew</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In regard to the letter:

1) If the Rosh Yeshiva said something, then I&#039;ll follow it because of Emunas Chachamim.

In regard to tznius vs. pritzus:

2) 50 years ago, and even up until 20 years ago, the majority of Orthodox Jewish women did not cover their hair AT ALL, even the wives of Rabbonim, some of them very prominent ones. 
    For a woman to cover her hair is a very big Nisayon (obstacle or test) and the fact that we have such nice wigs nowadays allows more and more women to keep this important Mitzvah.
   The prohibition in the Torah is not that a woman should not appear beautiful - it is that she must cover her hair and head. There are many reasons but the point is that her OWN hair does not show.
   The fact is that a shaitel, while not as holy perhaps as a tichel and hat, for an every  day Frum woman it is a perfectly great way to keep this Mitzvah. 
    If a woman wants to really grow and add on a Chumrah, which is a personal choice that cannot be dictated by anyone else, then it is up to her to choose to wear only tichels and hats which cover the hair fully.
    To call a beautiful wig pritzus is undermining a woman&#039;s confidence in keeping this wonderful Mitzvah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to the letter:</p>
<p>1) If the Rosh Yeshiva said something, then I&#8217;ll follow it because of Emunas Chachamim.</p>
<p>In regard to tznius vs. pritzus:</p>
<p>2) 50 years ago, and even up until 20 years ago, the majority of Orthodox Jewish women did not cover their hair AT ALL, even the wives of Rabbonim, some of them very prominent ones.<br />
    For a woman to cover her hair is a very big Nisayon (obstacle or test) and the fact that we have such nice wigs nowadays allows more and more women to keep this important Mitzvah.<br />
   The prohibition in the Torah is not that a woman should not appear beautiful &#8211; it is that she must cover her hair and head. There are many reasons but the point is that her OWN hair does not show.<br />
   The fact is that a shaitel, while not as holy perhaps as a tichel and hat, for an every  day Frum woman it is a perfectly great way to keep this Mitzvah.<br />
    If a woman wants to really grow and add on a Chumrah, which is a personal choice that cannot be dictated by anyone else, then it is up to her to choose to wear only tichels and hats which cover the hair fully.<br />
    To call a beautiful wig pritzus is undermining a woman&#8217;s confidence in keeping this wonderful Mitzvah.</p>
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		<title>By: teichelsarebetter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is most certainly a big problem-- taking the hallmark of tznius and advertising in a non-tnius way is wrong, whether or not we are in Bnei Brak and whether or not a Yeshiva is across the street. But there is an even bigger problem- it is increasingly harder to find a proper, tznius shaitel these days. When my mother took me shaitel shopping before my wedding 3 months ago, she was horrified at the suggestions the shaitel-machers were trying to push on us. I too grew increasingly uncomfortable. My mother and I agreed that until we can find a proper, modest shaitel, it will be teichels, hats and snoods for me. That is what I have been doing, and that is how I plan to continue. I am quite happy without the bother of a fancy shaitel, and I feel much more in tune with my personal tznius. Several of my friends have done the same, and they are all too happy to do so. Yes, tznius has empirical rules about what, how much, and how to cover ourselves, but that does not mean we can make it into a game of heterim, and how much can I get away with within the confines of halacha. I think it is time that we emphasize the spirit of the laws tznius in addition to the letter. This includes asking for the return of proper shaitels, and forgoing the use of them until that happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is most certainly a big problem&#8211; taking the hallmark of tznius and advertising in a non-tnius way is wrong, whether or not we are in Bnei Brak and whether or not a Yeshiva is across the street. But there is an even bigger problem- it is increasingly harder to find a proper, tznius shaitel these days. When my mother took me shaitel shopping before my wedding 3 months ago, she was horrified at the suggestions the shaitel-machers were trying to push on us. I too grew increasingly uncomfortable. My mother and I agreed that until we can find a proper, modest shaitel, it will be teichels, hats and snoods for me. That is what I have been doing, and that is how I plan to continue. I am quite happy without the bother of a fancy shaitel, and I feel much more in tune with my personal tznius. Several of my friends have done the same, and they are all too happy to do so. Yes, tznius has empirical rules about what, how much, and how to cover ourselves, but that does not mean we can make it into a game of heterim, and how much can I get away with within the confines of halacha. I think it is time that we emphasize the spirit of the laws tznius in addition to the letter. This includes asking for the return of proper shaitels, and forgoing the use of them until that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[shaynuk77,

So what should those who feel that this is wrong do?  How should they respond?

It&#039;s easy to find fault with the actions of others, much harder to provide a better way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shaynuk77,</p>
<p>So what should those who feel that this is wrong do?  How should they respond?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to find fault with the actions of others, much harder to provide a better way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To 83,

It is not for uncultured, unrefined laypeople to pass judgment/give advice to the Rosh Yeshiva regarding whom he should appoint to handle such matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 83,</p>
<p>It is not for uncultured, unrefined laypeople to pass judgment/give advice to the Rosh Yeshiva regarding whom he should appoint to handle such matters.</p>
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		<title>By: NonKollelman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rosh yeshiva, rather than an administrator should handle such matters.  It is not for laypeople and uncultured, unrefined others to handle such critical issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rosh yeshiva, rather than an administrator should handle such matters.  It is not for laypeople and uncultured, unrefined others to handle such critical issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harav Shechter, Shlita, never spoke to the owner directly.  The avreichim and one administrator
spoke to the store worker numerous times and the owner was called on the phone when the &quot;this is not B&#039;nei Barak&quot; comment was made.  Some phone calls were followed up by some Avreichim.  The owner received a copy of Harav Shechter&#039;s letter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harav Shechter, Shlita, never spoke to the owner directly.  The avreichim and one administrator<br />
spoke to the store worker numerous times and the owner was called on the phone when the &#8220;this is not B&#8217;nei Barak&#8221; comment was made.  Some phone calls were followed up by some Avreichim.  The owner received a copy of Harav Shechter&#8217;s letter.</p>
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