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		<title>By: avremele</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happened to &quot;yisroel af al pi shechoto, yisroel hu&quot;? It&#039;s the constant refrain of the pro-state-of-israel crowd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to &#8220;yisroel af al pi shechoto, yisroel hu&#8221;? It&#8217;s the constant refrain of the pro-state-of-israel crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: doniels</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doniels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who cares? If these criminals did something evil enough to get them convicted then they are being treated too well.

Ever consider the Chilul Hashem that each of these criminals is causing? Chilul Hashem has no parallel in its severity.

Ever consider the victims of these criminals?

Ever consider how the reputation of the rest of us are suffering as the frum Jewish prison population is growing?

To all the bleeding hearts, Chazal taught us:
&quot;He who is kind to the cruel will become cruel to the kind.&quot;

If you really cared you would publicize each of the inmates pictures and story so that the rest of the community will learn a lesson.

Limud Zchus to the bleeding hearts: You&#039;re worried that if they catch up with you, you&#039;re also going to be locked up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares? If these criminals did something evil enough to get them convicted then they are being treated too well.</p>
<p>Ever consider the Chilul Hashem that each of these criminals is causing? Chilul Hashem has no parallel in its severity.</p>
<p>Ever consider the victims of these criminals?</p>
<p>Ever consider how the reputation of the rest of us are suffering as the frum Jewish prison population is growing?</p>
<p>To all the bleeding hearts, Chazal taught us:<br />
&#8220;He who is kind to the cruel will become cruel to the kind.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you really cared you would publicize each of the inmates pictures and story so that the rest of the community will learn a lesson.</p>
<p>Limud Zchus to the bleeding hearts: You&#8217;re worried that if they catch up with you, you&#8217;re also going to be locked up.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shaggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Such worry! If one does not forgive, does Hashim forgive the unforgiving, have have empathy for those who are not empathic, have sympathy for the unsympathetic?  We place ourselve is such a position for condemnation and complain when we receive it.  Oy Vey!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such worry! If one does not forgive, does Hashim forgive the unforgiving, have have empathy for those who are not empathic, have sympathy for the unsympathetic?  We place ourselve is such a position for condemnation and complain when we receive it.  Oy Vey!</p>
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		<title>By: theshmoozer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is getting silly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is getting silly.</p>
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		<title>By: matzahlocaol101</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 05:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to reinforce comment #13

Halacha pasuka

שלחן ערוך, אורח חיים  סימן  קכ&quot;ח:לט

(לט) לא היו בו מהדברים המונעים נשיאת כפים אף על פי שאינו מדקדק במצות וכל העם מרננים אחריו נושא את כפיו (שאין שאר עבירות מונעין נשיאת כפים):

If a cohen does avairos (not involving the kehuna)He is still obligated in positive commendments, and is required to duchan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to reinforce comment #13</p>
<p>Halacha pasuka</p>
<p>שלחן ערוך, אורח חיים  סימן  קכ&#8221;ח:לט</p>
<p>(לט) לא היו בו מהדברים המונעים נשיאת כפים אף על פי שאינו מדקדק במצות וכל העם מרננים אחריו נושא את כפיו (שאין שאר עבירות מונעין נשיאת כפים):</p>
<p>If a cohen does avairos (not involving the kehuna)He is still obligated in positive commendments, and is required to duchan.</p>
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		<title>By: otisvilleinmate</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You all are missing the point. This letter was written to debunk an article that was written in New York Magazine. That article (which I believe there is a link to at the top of this page) portrayed the situation for Jewish inmates at Otisville to be a rosy one. While in fact it is not. While, I am not asking ANYONE to feel bad for us, at least understand the whole picture before you start making comments that are not accurate. Read the article and then read the letter, it should make a little more sense. 

What you should think about is who is here and why they are here. Some of you seem to say they are in jail and they deserve it. Really? Do you think it&#039;s possible that someone here has been wrongly convicted? Is it possible that someone is here because he did not want to tell the government that someone else was at fault and decided to take the fall? Is it possible that someone checked the wrong box on a bank loan form or a tax return and ended up here? In fact, there are people in all those scenarios here. Let&#039;s leave alone all the people who have done tshuva and are better people then they have ever been because they are here. 

I on the other hand, am the person who deserves it. I will readily admit that I did the crime I was convicted of. I got 5 years in jail and have served about 9 months at this point. According to some of you I am a horrible person and got what i deserve. I committed a crime that lasted a whole three weeks and was based on one bad decision. Because of that decision I lost my family, my kids, all my earthly positions and am now sitting in jail. But as you all say, I got what I deserve. 

He is a criminal, he doesn&#039;t deserve to do mitzvos let alone hiddur mitzvah! Only people on the street are aloud to do mitzvos properly. Because as we all know, people on the street are on a much higher madragah then people in jail. I mean why would someone be in jail unless they are a kofer be&#039;ikur?! None goes to jail who is a good person. The Bal Shem Tov, even Yosef Hatzadik was in jail. But hey, they deserved it too. 

We just learned in last weeks Parsha. V&#039;ahavta L&#039;racha K&#039;mocha. Love your neighbor like yourself. Oh wait, my fault, I forgot what Rashi said. He said if they are in Jail this doesn&#039;t apply....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all are missing the point. This letter was written to debunk an article that was written in New York Magazine. That article (which I believe there is a link to at the top of this page) portrayed the situation for Jewish inmates at Otisville to be a rosy one. While in fact it is not. While, I am not asking ANYONE to feel bad for us, at least understand the whole picture before you start making comments that are not accurate. Read the article and then read the letter, it should make a little more sense. </p>
<p>What you should think about is who is here and why they are here. Some of you seem to say they are in jail and they deserve it. Really? Do you think it&#8217;s possible that someone here has been wrongly convicted? Is it possible that someone is here because he did not want to tell the government that someone else was at fault and decided to take the fall? Is it possible that someone checked the wrong box on a bank loan form or a tax return and ended up here? In fact, there are people in all those scenarios here. Let&#8217;s leave alone all the people who have done tshuva and are better people then they have ever been because they are here. </p>
<p>I on the other hand, am the person who deserves it. I will readily admit that I did the crime I was convicted of. I got 5 years in jail and have served about 9 months at this point. According to some of you I am a horrible person and got what i deserve. I committed a crime that lasted a whole three weeks and was based on one bad decision. Because of that decision I lost my family, my kids, all my earthly positions and am now sitting in jail. But as you all say, I got what I deserve. </p>
<p>He is a criminal, he doesn&#8217;t deserve to do mitzvos let alone hiddur mitzvah! Only people on the street are aloud to do mitzvos properly. Because as we all know, people on the street are on a much higher madragah then people in jail. I mean why would someone be in jail unless they are a kofer be&#8217;ikur?! None goes to jail who is a good person. The Bal Shem Tov, even Yosef Hatzadik was in jail. But hey, they deserved it too. </p>
<p>We just learned in last weeks Parsha. V&#8217;ahavta L&#8217;racha K&#8217;mocha. Love your neighbor like yourself. Oh wait, my fault, I forgot what Rashi said. He said if they are in Jail this doesn&#8217;t apply&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: abba1949</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 01:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand those who say&quot; these inmates deserve what they get, they did something wrong and should have thought about the consequences beforehand&quot;. HOWEVER, I would expect these writers to be CONSISTENT and have a special nusach in their Yom Kippur machzor. Whereas the rest of us ask for slicha, mechila, and capara for our mistakes, these &quot;writers&#039; should simply be saying to Hashem they did something wrong, should have thought about it beforehand, and Hashem should give them whatever they deserve!

Think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand those who say&#8221; these inmates deserve what they get, they did something wrong and should have thought about the consequences beforehand&#8221;. HOWEVER, I would expect these writers to be CONSISTENT and have a special nusach in their Yom Kippur machzor. Whereas the rest of us ask for slicha, mechila, and capara for our mistakes, these &#8220;writers&#8217; should simply be saying to Hashem they did something wrong, should have thought about it beforehand, and Hashem should give them whatever they deserve!</p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: a yid in chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a yid in chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;they are complaining that they are there or dont deserve it, &quot; CORRECTION: they are not complaining.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they are complaining that they are there or dont deserve it, &#8221; CORRECTION: they are not complaining&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: a yid in chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a yid in chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mdlevine.......thank you for caring. btw did you notice that the tabelcloth comment was just a by-fact in the letter? the letter was ment to down play the article that said how good they have it. the facts are its not so easy for them to be jewish there and that is the real problem. they are complaining that they are there or dont deserve it, just sying that its not as glorious as it seems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mdlevine&#8230;&#8230;.thank you for caring. btw did you notice that the tabelcloth comment was just a by-fact in the letter? the letter was ment to down play the article that said how good they have it. the facts are its not so easy for them to be jewish there and that is the real problem. they are complaining that they are there or dont deserve it, just sying that its not as glorious as it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: mdlevine</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#8 re-read my post,   &quot;I do not feel bad for someone having to use a bed sheet for a table cloth and doesn’t have all the comforts of home or hotel while in prison&quot;  They like anyone else has the  chance to do tshuva - in fact they probably see it more than the rest of us.  I feel bad if they are mistreated or abused in anyway and I hope that when they are released, they will understand why they were there and resolve to be better.  

now, for your clarification, they are not in the Nevele, nor the  Fontainebleau, they are in prison for reasons not necessarily known to us but known to them.  they were provided with basic necessities for a seder and the authior of the letter is complaing b/c of tableclothes and such...  sorry, he should have thought of this prior to whatever it is that was done to end uo there.   once again, I feel for the wife and kids.  I feel bad that a Yid has sunk so low to end up in Otisville or Joliet I do not feel bad that he has to use a bedsheet as a tablecloth.

go ahead, push you caps key and yell back your next rant]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 re-read my post,   &#8220;I do not feel bad for someone having to use a bed sheet for a table cloth and doesn’t have all the comforts of home or hotel while in prison&#8221;  They like anyone else has the  chance to do tshuva &#8211; in fact they probably see it more than the rest of us.  I feel bad if they are mistreated or abused in anyway and I hope that when they are released, they will understand why they were there and resolve to be better.  </p>
<p>now, for your clarification, they are not in the Nevele, nor the  Fontainebleau, they are in prison for reasons not necessarily known to us but known to them.  they were provided with basic necessities for a seder and the authior of the letter is complaing b/c of tableclothes and such&#8230;  sorry, he should have thought of this prior to whatever it is that was done to end uo there.   once again, I feel for the wife and kids.  I feel bad that a Yid has sunk so low to end up in Otisville or Joliet I do not feel bad that he has to use a bedsheet as a tablecloth.</p>
<p>go ahead, push you caps key and yell back your next rant</p>
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