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		<title>By: chacham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chacham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[let these chilonim fast on tisha b&#039;av ,before they
start telling us how to mourn the Shoa .Besides its a chutzpah and a insult to remember the six million by participating in these 2 minute siron.
These is not the jewish way]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let these chilonim fast on tisha b&#8217;av ,before they<br />
start telling us how to mourn the Shoa .Besides its a chutzpah and a insult to remember the six million by participating in these 2 minute siron.<br />
These is not the jewish way</p>
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		<title>By: lgbg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[honestly speaking i wasnt even refering to waving he flag on the &quot;medinah&quot; because i can give you quotes from the gedolim what they have to say about the so called &quot;medina&quot;(if you want them i can post them).

and basically your rephrasing what i said just in different words. so thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>honestly speaking i wasnt even refering to waving he flag on the &#8220;medinah&#8221; because i can give you quotes from the gedolim what they have to say about the so called &#8220;medina&#8221;(if you want them i can post them).</p>
<p>and basically your rephrasing what i said just in different words. so thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: NoPeanutz</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly lgbg.
Assign responsibility instead of accepting it. 
Blame aveiros on the strength of the yetzer hara, not on the failure of our own parenting or education system.  
If you are afraid that your own belief system cannot stand up to that of others, what does that say about you?
And btw, according to the posts above from KNS and matzahloca101, the tumah of this door is comparatively low when compared to that of the dor of the Holocaust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly lgbg.<br />
Assign responsibility instead of accepting it.<br />
Blame aveiros on the strength of the yetzer hara, not on the failure of our own parenting or education system.<br />
If you are afraid that your own belief system cannot stand up to that of others, what does that say about you?<br />
And btw, according to the posts above from KNS and matzahloca101, the tumah of this door is comparatively low when compared to that of the dor of the Holocaust.</p>
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		<title>By: lgbg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pashuteh yid

ever hear that each dor is on a lower madreiga then the one before?
we can&#039;t go ahead and let children be friend with &quot;non-religous&quot;. put it this would you let your kids be friends with the frei children on the block. yes, we should try be mekarev the children and try bringing them closer to yidishkiet. But the yetzer hara is stronger, and if your child sees an inappropiate magazine for instance in their house. wat are you going to do about it? let them go back and play there?

and how is this dor which the level of tumah is so great take such a risk?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pashuteh yid</p>
<p>ever hear that each dor is on a lower madreiga then the one before?<br />
we can&#8217;t go ahead and let children be friend with &#8220;non-religous&#8221;. put it this would you let your kids be friends with the frei children on the block. yes, we should try be mekarev the children and try bringing them closer to yidishkiet. But the yetzer hara is stronger, and if your child sees an inappropiate magazine for instance in their house. wat are you going to do about it? let them go back and play there?</p>
<p>and how is this dor which the level of tumah is so great take such a risk?</p>
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		<title>By: TOHIGHSCHOOLGUY</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My problem with Yom Hashoa has nothing to do with standing and remembering.  That is fine.  My problem is what Yom Hashoa V&#039;Hagvurah stands for.  The purpose of this day is not to remember those who died to sanctify God&#039;s name, but those who fought the Nazis, those who protested.  

The attitude of most Israeli&#039;s to Holocaust survivors was one of negativity as they were &quot;embarassed&quot; by the European&#039;s who did not fight the Nazi&#039;s.  The initial protest of Yom Hashoa did not come from the Rabbis, but rather came from Menachem Begin and his comrades from the former Irgun.

They protested, because the Holocaust, and the resulting trials of the Nazis, was used largely as a facade to put on a pedestal those who &quot;fought&quot; and to diminish those who could not. (read Tom Segev&#039;s &quot;The Seventh Million&quot; ... it provides an interesting perspective on the Israeli attitudes towards Holocaust Survivors)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with Yom Hashoa has nothing to do with standing and remembering.  That is fine.  My problem is what Yom Hashoa V&#8217;Hagvurah stands for.  The purpose of this day is not to remember those who died to sanctify God&#8217;s name, but those who fought the Nazis, those who protested.  </p>
<p>The attitude of most Israeli&#8217;s to Holocaust survivors was one of negativity as they were &#8220;embarassed&#8221; by the European&#8217;s who did not fight the Nazi&#8217;s.  The initial protest of Yom Hashoa did not come from the Rabbis, but rather came from Menachem Begin and his comrades from the former Irgun.</p>
<p>They protested, because the Holocaust, and the resulting trials of the Nazis, was used largely as a facade to put on a pedestal those who &#8220;fought&#8221; and to diminish those who could not. (read Tom Segev&#8217;s &#8220;The Seventh Million&#8221; &#8230; it provides an interesting perspective on the Israeli attitudes towards Holocaust Survivors)</p>
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		<title>By: ZigZag</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i know that the reason we ( my community) doesnt do anything really on  yom hashoa is because it is the month of nissan and your not suppose to mourn then ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know that the reason we ( my community) doesnt do anything really on  yom hashoa is because it is the month of nissan and your not suppose to mourn then &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BYgirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[illini07, I can go on and on but I will keep it short. You are so wrong!  Maybe you know when to stop such a crazy shtus, but the conservative don&#039;t. If they just wanted to teach us a beautiful lesson, thats fine, but don&#039;t you see that they don&#039;t know where to stop. Are you ignorant of all that goes on in their world? It may seem like a nice idea but they do  not know where to stop!  Why?  because                                                                                                   they are not guided by Gedolim. Our Gedoli Yisroel are the only ones that decide whats a nice thing to do, and whats not, not you, me, or them. Do you understand? I feel so strongly..I hope you understand what I am trying to say because in my eyes this is a fundamental principle in Hashkafa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>illini07, I can go on and on but I will keep it short. You are so wrong!  Maybe you know when to stop such a crazy shtus, but the conservative don&#8217;t. If they just wanted to teach us a beautiful lesson, thats fine, but don&#8217;t you see that they don&#8217;t know where to stop. Are you ignorant of all that goes on in their world? It may seem like a nice idea but they do  not know where to stop!  Why?  because                                                                                                   they are not guided by Gedolim. Our Gedoli Yisroel are the only ones that decide whats a nice thing to do, and whats not, not you, me, or them. Do you understand? I feel so strongly..I hope you understand what I am trying to say because in my eyes this is a fundamental principle in Hashkafa.</p>
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		<title>By: NoPeanutz</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[matzahlocaol101-
[“If only the state was established 10 years earlier…” Is kefirah she’ain kimohu.] 
Agreed.  
But [To the believer there is no question. To silently stand because people who who perpetuate the behaviour which preceeded the holocaust said so, is untenable.] - there is no greater kefira. 

There was plenty of sinning in Europe before WWII, no question- but what about the hundreds of yeshivos? What about the hundreds of saints and rebbes and talmidei chachamim that were butchered and gassed??? What about the millions of incredibly righteous and miserably poor Jews who were taken away and never seen again???
What about the over 1 million Jewish children who were destroyed????

Who the hell do you think you are that you will lecture me and everyone else about why certain historical events happened?  Go ahead, tell me why we wear tzitzit, or why the sun comes up in the morning, or why my great-grandfather starved to death in a Ghetto.  Tell me why, on the last day of the war, when surely my &quot;intermarrying&quot; great-uncle (who was born and raised and married into the yeshiva world before they were deported),  was shot and killed on the last day before liberation (surely only afterward enduring more than his fair share of punishment for 1,000 lifetimes.   
I am not incensed because your allegations were personally insulting, but because they were ill-conceived, inconsiderate, insensitive and dead wrong.  
And, KNS, you should be ashamed of yourself for going along with this.  EMES????????????  I&#039;ve never heard of a greater kefira than trying to tell God what to do, to tell Her why and how to deal out reward and punishment as if She didnt have a mind of Her own.  If the system was so easy to figure out, nobody would ever get out of bed to daven.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matzahlocaol101-<br />
[“If only the state was established 10 years earlier…” Is kefirah she’ain kimohu.]<br />
Agreed.<br />
But [To the believer there is no question. To silently stand because people who who perpetuate the behaviour which preceeded the holocaust said so, is untenable.] &#8211; there is no greater kefira. </p>
<p>There was plenty of sinning in Europe before WWII, no question- but what about the hundreds of yeshivos? What about the hundreds of saints and rebbes and talmidei chachamim that were butchered and gassed??? What about the millions of incredibly righteous and miserably poor Jews who were taken away and never seen again???<br />
What about the over 1 million Jewish children who were destroyed????</p>
<p>Who the hell do you think you are that you will lecture me and everyone else about why certain historical events happened?  Go ahead, tell me why we wear tzitzit, or why the sun comes up in the morning, or why my great-grandfather starved to death in a Ghetto.  Tell me why, on the last day of the war, when surely my &#8220;intermarrying&#8221; great-uncle (who was born and raised and married into the yeshiva world before they were deported),  was shot and killed on the last day before liberation (surely only afterward enduring more than his fair share of punishment for 1,000 lifetimes.<br />
I am not incensed because your allegations were personally insulting, but because they were ill-conceived, inconsiderate, insensitive and dead wrong.<br />
And, KNS, you should be ashamed of yourself for going along with this.  EMES????????????  I&#8217;ve never heard of a greater kefira than trying to tell God what to do, to tell Her why and how to deal out reward and punishment as if She didnt have a mind of Her own.  If the system was so easy to figure out, nobody would ever get out of bed to daven.</p>
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		<title>By: anon1m0us1</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#76- I think I hit it on the head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#76- I think I hit it on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: avf</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[67, part of yom haatzmaut is to have yom hazikoron right before it.  They do go together.  If you don&#039;t celebrate one [for reasons  mentioned above] then you don&#039;t observe the other.  Besides, if you don&#039;t want to be like the secular zionist then don&#039;t observe their holidays. Also why can&#039;t people be accepting of Jews&#039; reasons for practicing their own way of remembering kedoshim like tisha baav and by carrying on true Jewish ideals which I am sure is much more meaningful to them than two minutes of silence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>67, part of yom haatzmaut is to have yom hazikoron right before it.  They do go together.  If you don&#8217;t celebrate one [for reasons  mentioned above] then you don&#8217;t observe the other.  Besides, if you don&#8217;t want to be like the secular zionist then don&#8217;t observe their holidays. Also why can&#8217;t people be accepting of Jews&#8217; reasons for practicing their own way of remembering kedoshim like tisha baav and by carrying on true Jewish ideals which I am sure is much more meaningful to them than two minutes of silence.</p>
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