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		<title>By: umm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[umm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t they have these anymore?!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t they have these anymore?!?</p>
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		<title>By: willi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#140 - very right. In the best case these women might end up pleasing their husband, but very likely losing a friend or 2.
gite vuch]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#140 &#8211; very right. In the best case these women might end up pleasing their husband, but very likely losing a friend or 2.<br />
gite vuch</p>
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		<title>By: Truehonesty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truehonesty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One further comment... I walked past a bookstore last week and picked up Rabbi Zelig Pliskin&#039;s book on marriage.  I opened it to have a look and it came out on page 238 with a story of a kallo who was told by her teacher to put down the phone when her husband comes home.  She thought that it made sense and indeed after her chasuno did just that and told her friends that husband is home, must go.  After two years of marriage her husband told her that he absolutely hates it when she does that.  He explained that he doesn&#039;t like it that she blames it on him, if you want to stop your conversation then say you want to go but why say because of me......

Another story that proves my point, discuss these issues with chosson/husband openly and honestly and save yourself all the problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One further comment&#8230; I walked past a bookstore last week and picked up Rabbi Zelig Pliskin&#8217;s book on marriage.  I opened it to have a look and it came out on page 238 with a story of a kallo who was told by her teacher to put down the phone when her husband comes home.  She thought that it made sense and indeed after her chasuno did just that and told her friends that husband is home, must go.  After two years of marriage her husband told her that he absolutely hates it when she does that.  He explained that he doesn&#8217;t like it that she blames it on him, if you want to stop your conversation then say you want to go but why say because of me&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Another story that proves my point, discuss these issues with chosson/husband openly and honestly and save yourself all the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: willi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#138  - Good points. ......Think we kind of overstayed our visit on this post, so See you at the newer letters at &quot;out of the mailbag&quot;. All the best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#138  &#8211; Good points. &#8230;&#8230;Think we kind of overstayed our visit on this post, so See you at the newer letters at &#8220;out of the mailbag&#8221;. All the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Truehonesty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truehonesty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mrs &quot;Willi&quot;, you are right it doesnt always work (actually it often doesnt work!) to try and make friendships like this.  In your case, it was simply yes or no - it didnt really matter either way, you could become friends with Mrs Neighbour or not and he could become friends with Mr Your Friend or not.  Life would continue either way.  In my story it was more vital and necessary (actually it turned out that the friend&#039;s husband was also bothered although he refused initially to admit it) and even now they respect each other without being close friends.  At the time it was a lifesaver for both of them and they clutched at it to &quot;save&quot; their marriages.  The wives respect their husbands for their efforts in allowing the friendship and have toned down their discussions and hours spent together to keep the peace!!!

I only mentioned that point btw, the main ingredient was the open discussion between man and wife.  I only brought the story to show that the problem of friends overstepping the mark can be not only single friends to newlyweds but even between 30-40 year old married people.  In this case the wife &quot;forgot&quot; about her husband&#039;s feelings and needed to be reminded.  The husband overreacted and needed to be brought back down to reality.  Boruch HaShem it worked...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs &#8220;Willi&#8221;, you are right it doesnt always work (actually it often doesnt work!) to try and make friendships like this.  In your case, it was simply yes or no &#8211; it didnt really matter either way, you could become friends with Mrs Neighbour or not and he could become friends with Mr Your Friend or not.  Life would continue either way.  In my story it was more vital and necessary (actually it turned out that the friend&#8217;s husband was also bothered although he refused initially to admit it) and even now they respect each other without being close friends.  At the time it was a lifesaver for both of them and they clutched at it to &#8220;save&#8221; their marriages.  The wives respect their husbands for their efforts in allowing the friendship and have toned down their discussions and hours spent together to keep the peace!!!</p>
<p>I only mentioned that point btw, the main ingredient was the open discussion between man and wife.  I only brought the story to show that the problem of friends overstepping the mark can be not only single friends to newlyweds but even between 30-40 year old married people.  In this case the wife &#8220;forgot&#8221; about her husband&#8217;s feelings and needed to be reminded.  The husband overreacted and needed to be brought back down to reality.  Boruch HaShem it worked&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: willi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow! this is the only &quot;letter out of the mailbag&quot; still active.
truehonesty, the point of &#039;husbands of friends becoming friends&#039;, is a good idea, but doesn&#039;t always work out. One of my married friends invited my husband &amp; me for a meal recently. I thought it would be a good opportunity for our hubs to get to know each others, but my husband was a bit shy. (we didn&#039;t go)
 Ironically, at the same time he became close to a neighbor on the block (&amp; I never even exchanged a word with the wife) but they invited us for a meal - my husband was really excited to go- &amp; I agreed!
so my point is again, that the idea in general is nice, but every situation is different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow! this is the only &#8220;letter out of the mailbag&#8221; still active.<br />
truehonesty, the point of &#8216;husbands of friends becoming friends&#8217;, is a good idea, but doesn&#8217;t always work out. One of my married friends invited my husband &amp; me for a meal recently. I thought it would be a good opportunity for our hubs to get to know each others, but my husband was a bit shy. (we didn&#8217;t go)<br />
 Ironically, at the same time he became close to a neighbor on the block (&amp; I never even exchanged a word with the wife) but they invited us for a meal &#8211; my husband was really excited to go- &amp; I agreed!<br />
so my point is again, that the idea in general is nice, but every situation is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Truehonesty</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[beeps, I&#039;m happy that I understood you right this time (finally) and your devotion to your husband is indeed a SHINING light.  I&#039;m sure that he appreciates it too.
You seem to be right about this discussion interesting others too as we are still getting comments from them.  I am expecially pleased that maidelfromlakewood is still reading these letters as she was the one who really set the whole thing up and BH she says she is encouraged. Maidelfromlakewood, please feel free to add questions/comments too!  Willi, I second your comment #135 all the way.  Indeed beeps you ARE special how you accept all the criticism so well. It is from my part devorim hayoitzim min halev as I have unfortunately heard too many sad stories that start over such trivialities and end up.... Anyway it is only because you are so positive and honest that I continued writing my ideas and yes, the fact this all this is anonymous allows the conversation to run freely and openly.

Returning to the issue at hand:  I still haven&#039;t understood from you if you agree that ideally it is not necessary to slam phones down on friends and an open discussion with one&#039;s spouse to understand their feelings on the subject should be enough to allow a working situation whereby both sides appreciate that each others&#039; friends are not threats but part and parcel of life with another person.  Would you really be insulted and upset if your husband continued talking on the phone to a friend when you arrived home?

Having said all that, I agree that if a friend totally oversteps her mark and cannot understand that you are not available 24/7 for her and begins to either get on your husband&#039;s nerves or gets you so angry/frustrated that it interferes with your happiness and marriage AND after trying unsuccessfully to explain this to her nicely and with sensitivity to her difficult and &quot;lonely&quot; situation, then your husband must come first and be nice but firm with your friend and if she is offended then understand that it is HER problem now and not yours. Usually after a week or so of feeling sorry for herself, she will miss you enough to call, apologize and accept your terms for the friendship.   I have a friend (at the time he had 9 children, married for 12 years etc.) and his wife became very friendly with another married lady and began doing everything with her including discussing everything from menus to children, clothes to chinuch problems etc.  He began to feel threatened by this friend as he no longer felt himself as his wife&#039;s best friend and he forbade his wife to speak to her anymore.  She agreed out of no choice but spent many hours crying...  He too felt bad but had no idea how to extricate himself from the situation.  He told me the story adding that even then he feels the friend&#039;s influence on his wife as she still isnt opening up to him as she used to.  My advice was the same to him as to you.  DISCUSS IT WITH YOUR SPOUSE HONESTLY.  Tell her that you felt threatened, tell her how unhappy you are to see her so sad now, discuss together ways of allowing the friendship to flourish without it interfering with him.  It wasnt easy but now they are all happy and friends. (Another thing I told him to do which would help, is to cultivate a friendship with this friend&#039;s husband so they too would all feel part of the relationship rather than outsiders.)  I really think that the answer to so many of the problems in marriage is open and honest discussion - that is why I suggested to you to show this forum to your husband as that will open up the lines of communication to hear his side of the story.  What is his advice on how to deal with your difficult friend?  Have you discussed it with him?

Again, I wish you lots of happiness and the siyatta dishmaya to build up the true bayis ne&#039;eman and to be zoche to pass it on to the next generation too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beeps, I&#8217;m happy that I understood you right this time (finally) and your devotion to your husband is indeed a SHINING light.  I&#8217;m sure that he appreciates it too.<br />
You seem to be right about this discussion interesting others too as we are still getting comments from them.  I am expecially pleased that maidelfromlakewood is still reading these letters as she was the one who really set the whole thing up and BH she says she is encouraged. Maidelfromlakewood, please feel free to add questions/comments too!  Willi, I second your comment #135 all the way.  Indeed beeps you ARE special how you accept all the criticism so well. It is from my part devorim hayoitzim min halev as I have unfortunately heard too many sad stories that start over such trivialities and end up&#8230;. Anyway it is only because you are so positive and honest that I continued writing my ideas and yes, the fact this all this is anonymous allows the conversation to run freely and openly.</p>
<p>Returning to the issue at hand:  I still haven&#8217;t understood from you if you agree that ideally it is not necessary to slam phones down on friends and an open discussion with one&#8217;s spouse to understand their feelings on the subject should be enough to allow a working situation whereby both sides appreciate that each others&#8217; friends are not threats but part and parcel of life with another person.  Would you really be insulted and upset if your husband continued talking on the phone to a friend when you arrived home?</p>
<p>Having said all that, I agree that if a friend totally oversteps her mark and cannot understand that you are not available 24/7 for her and begins to either get on your husband&#8217;s nerves or gets you so angry/frustrated that it interferes with your happiness and marriage AND after trying unsuccessfully to explain this to her nicely and with sensitivity to her difficult and &#8220;lonely&#8221; situation, then your husband must come first and be nice but firm with your friend and if she is offended then understand that it is HER problem now and not yours. Usually after a week or so of feeling sorry for herself, she will miss you enough to call, apologize and accept your terms for the friendship.   I have a friend (at the time he had 9 children, married for 12 years etc.) and his wife became very friendly with another married lady and began doing everything with her including discussing everything from menus to children, clothes to chinuch problems etc.  He began to feel threatened by this friend as he no longer felt himself as his wife&#8217;s best friend and he forbade his wife to speak to her anymore.  She agreed out of no choice but spent many hours crying&#8230;  He too felt bad but had no idea how to extricate himself from the situation.  He told me the story adding that even then he feels the friend&#8217;s influence on his wife as she still isnt opening up to him as she used to.  My advice was the same to him as to you.  DISCUSS IT WITH YOUR SPOUSE HONESTLY.  Tell her that you felt threatened, tell her how unhappy you are to see her so sad now, discuss together ways of allowing the friendship to flourish without it interfering with him.  It wasnt easy but now they are all happy and friends. (Another thing I told him to do which would help, is to cultivate a friendship with this friend&#8217;s husband so they too would all feel part of the relationship rather than outsiders.)  I really think that the answer to so many of the problems in marriage is open and honest discussion &#8211; that is why I suggested to you to show this forum to your husband as that will open up the lines of communication to hear his side of the story.  What is his advice on how to deal with your difficult friend?  Have you discussed it with him?</p>
<p>Again, I wish you lots of happiness and the siyatta dishmaya to build up the true bayis ne&#8217;eman and to be zoche to pass it on to the next generation too.</p>
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		<title>By: willi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[beeps I&#039;m impressed of how you accept constructive criticism. Many readers here tend to retaliate when made aware of certain things where they need some improvement.
Anyway keep up the good work - (about the cooking etc,) maybe you have some good recipes to share??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beeps I&#8217;m impressed of how you accept constructive criticism. Many readers here tend to retaliate when made aware of certain things where they need some improvement.<br />
Anyway keep up the good work &#8211; (about the cooking etc,) maybe you have some good recipes to share??</p>
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		<title>By: beeps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beeps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TrueHonesty, Whoa!  nice letter!  i&#039;m glad we&#039;re on the same page.  yes, you are right.  I was projecting how I would react in the situation presented, not the way my husband would.

Btw, you mentioned in an earlier response about &quot;Maybe you have misunderstood him too and what he really wants is supper ready on the table etc. (Remember I am a male and I speak like one too!!!)&quot;...  that&#039;s one place i SHINE!!  i am proud to say that i have been cooking for my husband really great meals, including preparing breakfast and lunch for him before i leave to work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TrueHonesty, Whoa!  nice letter!  i&#8217;m glad we&#8217;re on the same page.  yes, you are right.  I was projecting how I would react in the situation presented, not the way my husband would.</p>
<p>Btw, you mentioned in an earlier response about &#8220;Maybe you have misunderstood him too and what he really wants is supper ready on the table etc. (Remember I am a male and I speak like one too!!!)&#8221;&#8230;  that&#8217;s one place i SHINE!!  i am proud to say that i have been cooking for my husband really great meals, including preparing breakfast and lunch for him before i leave to work.</p>
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		<title>By: maidelfromlakewood</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Truehonesty! I&#039;m still following up on your letters. I got the encouragement i needed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Truehonesty! I&#8217;m still following up on your letters. I got the encouragement i needed!</p>
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