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		<title>By: 1tenthOfAMinyan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1tenthOfAMinyan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by the way: frocks are uniforms that the all employees wear, it&#039;s similar to an apron. its not what the lubavitcher &amp; litvishi wear]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way: frocks are uniforms that the all employees wear, it&#8217;s similar to an apron. its not what the lubavitcher &amp; litvishi wear</p>
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		<title>By: iib002</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do they have that kind of money or will it put them out of business?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they have that kind of money or will it put them out of business?</p>
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		<title>By: yidd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yidd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excuse me #15 but the videos that peta has shown, while they aren&#039;t pretty (slaughter is never pretty)doesn&#039;t show any problems with the shechita. The world has allready accepted this lie as truth because it has been repeated time and again. At the time there letters issued and signed by many rabbonim, from all circles, stating that the shechita is 100% kosher. You can look it up on the web.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me #15 but the videos that peta has shown, while they aren&#8217;t pretty (slaughter is never pretty)doesn&#8217;t show any problems with the shechita. The world has allready accepted this lie as truth because it has been repeated time and again. At the time there letters issued and signed by many rabbonim, from all circles, stating that the shechita is 100% kosher. You can look it up on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you require a better response to #13, #11 is it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you require a better response to #13, #11 is it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[shaichos]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shaichos</p>
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		<title>By: EinayimLirot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EinayimLirot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#13, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Comment by Joseph — October 29, 2008 @ 4:37 pm

&quot;Doctor, before I submit to surgery with you, I think you should at least explain to me why you think I need it for a common cold.&quot;

&quot;Well, we&#039;ll just have to disagree on this one.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13, we’ll have to agree to disagree.</p>
<p>Comment by Joseph — October 29, 2008 @ 4:37 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Doctor, before I submit to surgery with you, I think you should at least explain to me why you think I need it for a common cold.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, we&#8217;ll just have to disagree on this one.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lastword</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The penalties don&#039;t fit the crime - and are inconsistent with the mood throughout the American corporate scene - which has had fraud of many magnitudes beyond these accusations excused with benign action.

It looks like there are empowered &#039;others&#039; behind both the charges and even the raids: maybe a group or a &#039;minion&#039; of them who are against kashrus or big business, or something else. At any rate, I&#039;m sure &#039;Agri&#039; had accountants who oversaw their books, and that most of this was based on interpretive understanding of tax law - as frocks for instance, can easily represent the company&#039;s professional, frum image would therefore be a legitimate business expense in similar corporate situations - very typically, in this country - ask any CPA.

This is a VERY scary case, and indicative of hooliganism. I hope very much, that they will have the means to fight this successfully - all of it - and that the sympathies of normal business will be aroused for them. Whether an organized conspiracy, or just that of over-zealous bureaucracy with too much time on their hands, this is both scary and pathetic, and it seems to me, that ostracizing fairly normal business practices that are technically, even within the general letter of the  law is a reason to protest - as this is one big case of government &#039;nit-picking&#039; -- not imposed consistently AT ALL, by prevailing standards and norms.

Check this link at a leading alternative health site about another government bullying case, coordinated in part, by the FDA. There is a widespread abuse of power going on in this country now, more and more, in particular, through its inconsistant application of the law:

http://www.naturalnews.com/023719.html

Yidden, be m&#039;lamed z&#039;chus on Agri, and get involved if you can. This entire case, from beginning to end, spells one nightmarish word: S-H-A-K-E-D-O-W-N!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The penalties don&#8217;t fit the crime &#8211; and are inconsistent with the mood throughout the American corporate scene &#8211; which has had fraud of many magnitudes beyond these accusations excused with benign action.</p>
<p>It looks like there are empowered &#8216;others&#8217; behind both the charges and even the raids: maybe a group or a &#8216;minion&#8217; of them who are against kashrus or big business, or something else. At any rate, I&#8217;m sure &#8216;Agri&#8217; had accountants who oversaw their books, and that most of this was based on interpretive understanding of tax law &#8211; as frocks for instance, can easily represent the company&#8217;s professional, frum image would therefore be a legitimate business expense in similar corporate situations &#8211; very typically, in this country &#8211; ask any CPA.</p>
<p>This is a VERY scary case, and indicative of hooliganism. I hope very much, that they will have the means to fight this successfully &#8211; all of it &#8211; and that the sympathies of normal business will be aroused for them. Whether an organized conspiracy, or just that of over-zealous bureaucracy with too much time on their hands, this is both scary and pathetic, and it seems to me, that ostracizing fairly normal business practices that are technically, even within the general letter of the  law is a reason to protest &#8211; as this is one big case of government &#8216;nit-picking&#8217; &#8212; not imposed consistently AT ALL, by prevailing standards and norms.</p>
<p>Check this link at a leading alternative health site about another government bullying case, coordinated in part, by the FDA. There is a widespread abuse of power going on in this country now, more and more, in particular, through its inconsistant application of the law:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/023719.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturalnews.com/023719.html</a></p>
<p>Yidden, be m&#8217;lamed z&#8217;chus on Agri, and get involved if you can. This entire case, from beginning to end, spells one nightmarish word: S-H-A-K-E-D-O-W-N!</p>
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		<title>By: lo taasu keyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lo taasu keyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph and Yochi, might I remind you of a small statement made clearly in the gemoreh and followed except b&#039;shaas hadchak by EVERYONE of the Amoroim. Dino DeMalchuso Dino. Enough Said. I am disgusted by the alleged treatment of workers. I saw serious issues of tzar baalei Chayim in the PETA video. But never mind those for a second. WHy defend someone or castigate his critics when he is so clearly being oiver one of the most widely known axioms of Yiddishkeit in golus?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph and Yochi, might I remind you of a small statement made clearly in the gemoreh and followed except b&#8217;shaas hadchak by EVERYONE of the Amoroim. Dino DeMalchuso Dino. Enough Said. I am disgusted by the alleged treatment of workers. I saw serious issues of tzar baalei Chayim in the PETA video. But never mind those for a second. WHy defend someone or castigate his critics when he is so clearly being oiver one of the most widely known axioms of Yiddishkeit in golus?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#13, we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13, we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bacci, my respect is reserved for the only true law, and that is of course the Torah. And based on the Torah, I follow the law of the land. But I certainly have no respect for a corrupt legal system written by corrupt politicians and enforced by corrupt officials and a bribed court system. Follow it, yes. Respect it, no. Believe every filthy allegation it spews? Certainly not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bacci, my respect is reserved for the only true law, and that is of course the Torah. And based on the Torah, I follow the law of the land. But I certainly have no respect for a corrupt legal system written by corrupt politicians and enforced by corrupt officials and a bribed court system. Follow it, yes. Respect it, no. Believe every filthy allegation it spews? Certainly not.</p>
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