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		<title>By: yidd</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a few things that seem abnormal:

1. Everyone writes how they found passports with the cash in his room. What they fail to mention is that he and his wife had allready given up their passports to the feds.

2. The officers who searched his home and found the money, never actually counted it, they flipped through it and estimated how much there was. When the family counted it afterward, there was actually $12,000 - far from enough to run anywhere without a passport and with a family.

3. The silver coins found, were the ones used for machtzis hashekel every year in Postville.

4. His wife can only visit him once a week and even then cannot meet him face to face - only via video. Don&#039;t forget he was never found guilty of anything, supposedly the only reason he is in prison is ascertain that he will not flee, so why the harsh treatment?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few things that seem abnormal:</p>
<p>1. Everyone writes how they found passports with the cash in his room. What they fail to mention is that he and his wife had allready given up their passports to the feds.</p>
<p>2. The officers who searched his home and found the money, never actually counted it, they flipped through it and estimated how much there was. When the family counted it afterward, there was actually $12,000 &#8211; far from enough to run anywhere without a passport and with a family.</p>
<p>3. The silver coins found, were the ones used for machtzis hashekel every year in Postville.</p>
<p>4. His wife can only visit him once a week and even then cannot meet him face to face &#8211; only via video. Don&#8217;t forget he was never found guilty of anything, supposedly the only reason he is in prison is ascertain that he will not flee, so why the harsh treatment?!</p>
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		<title>By: Yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yonason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DTWD - I printed out your comments about me and showed them to chaverim - Shkoyach . . . good laughs were had by all.  Calm down and have a Git Shabbos . . . (Unless, of course, you can&#039;t take you mind off all those Ant-Semetic-Liberal- Neo-Nazi-Self-Hating-Mamzerim who are out to get you and Rubashkin)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DTWD &#8211; I printed out your comments about me and showed them to chaverim &#8211; Shkoyach . . . good laughs were had by all.  Calm down and have a Git Shabbos . . . (Unless, of course, you can&#8217;t take you mind off all those Ant-Semetic-Liberal- Neo-Nazi-Self-Hating-Mamzerim who are out to get you and Rubashkin)</p>
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		<title>By: Yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yonason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To corect an earlier and as yet unposted comment - there were at least tree sets of allegations brought against Rubashkin - State Labor, Federal Labor/Immigration and Federal Financial Fraud - both arrests were Federal, though on independent grounds brought by different grand juries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To corect an earlier and as yet unposted comment &#8211; there were at least tree sets of allegations brought against Rubashkin &#8211; State Labor, Federal Labor/Immigration and Federal Financial Fraud &#8211; both arrests were Federal, though on independent grounds brought by different grand juries.</p>
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		<title>By: leah from BP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leah from BP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To misterzee:  You are sorely mistaken.  

You say with passion, &quot;NOONE other than reb yakov ztl (and reb noshe,okay and rav pam)would pass the test,the feds have something on everyone,and thats a promise.Tell me your profession and i will tell you your vice.&quot;  

I say, it&#039;s an individual&#039;s decision to break the law and to teach and encourage his or her children to do it as well.  

NOT ALL frum yidden are sneaky crooks.  But unfortunately many, many, many are.  And unfortunately this type of illegal behavior has become acceptable behavior in our supposedly frum, pious communities.  We frum yidden who are lawful unfortunately have to bear the brunt of all of you who are not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To misterzee:  You are sorely mistaken.  </p>
<p>You say with passion, &#8220;NOONE other than reb yakov ztl (and reb noshe,okay and rav pam)would pass the test,the feds have something on everyone,and thats a promise.Tell me your profession and i will tell you your vice.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I say, it&#8217;s an individual&#8217;s decision to break the law and to teach and encourage his or her children to do it as well.  </p>
<p>NOT ALL frum yidden are sneaky crooks.  But unfortunately many, many, many are.  And unfortunately this type of illegal behavior has become acceptable behavior in our supposedly frum, pious communities.  We frum yidden who are lawful unfortunately have to bear the brunt of all of you who are not.</p>
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		<title>By: DaasTorahWtchdg</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yonason - (not David Hamelech&#039;s yedid)

 Your words are the words of a moser and a rodeif. I will not allow your venomous comments to go unchecked here on this chashuva website. When friends and family of the &quot;teire&quot; Rubashkin family read these postings I want to make sure your filth gets its proper rebuke.

You work in &quot;law-enforcement&quot;? Makes you even more sure of being a moser and rodeif. What do you do in your capacity as an &quot;enforcer of the law&quot; when you have to report or arrest a yid? Do you have any conflict within yourself? Does your conscience set off any alarms that, even if this yid has really committed a crime, your actions in bringing about his incrimination makes you a moser, hence CHAYAV MISAH?! From your many maniacal rantings it would seem that it doesn&#039;t.

You should attend an Arachim seminar, to take another look at coming back to authentic Jewish belief. The way you behave today clearly makes your black hat &amp; tzitzis a great sham and utter hippocracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yonason &#8211; (not David Hamelech&#8217;s yedid)</p>
<p> Your words are the words of a moser and a rodeif. I will not allow your venomous comments to go unchecked here on this chashuva website. When friends and family of the &#8220;teire&#8221; Rubashkin family read these postings I want to make sure your filth gets its proper rebuke.</p>
<p>You work in &#8220;law-enforcement&#8221;? Makes you even more sure of being a moser and rodeif. What do you do in your capacity as an &#8220;enforcer of the law&#8221; when you have to report or arrest a yid? Do you have any conflict within yourself? Does your conscience set off any alarms that, even if this yid has really committed a crime, your actions in bringing about his incrimination makes you a moser, hence CHAYAV MISAH?! From your many maniacal rantings it would seem that it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>You should attend an Arachim seminar, to take another look at coming back to authentic Jewish belief. The way you behave today clearly makes your black hat &amp; tzitzis a great sham and utter hippocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: aryehm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aryehm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re about to enter Shabbos.  Let us ask Mechilah from each other for our strong words.  There are many issues that have been raised, most of them valid for a forum.  For example, has America been more vigorous in its prosecution of Jews than the general population?  Do we frum Jews need to clean up our act?  What do we who sit here at our computers need to do (aside from spellcheck and a few lessons in grammar)?  Perhaps we should take a lesson from the Sotah.  Haroeh sotah b&#039;kilkulah, yazir min hayayin, Someone who sees a Sodah in her disgrace should abstain from wine.  Let us take current events to heart and strive to do better.  Torah, Tzedakah, Gemilas Chesed, Tefillah, Tehilim, there are plenty of improvements we can each choose which are for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re about to enter Shabbos.  Let us ask Mechilah from each other for our strong words.  There are many issues that have been raised, most of them valid for a forum.  For example, has America been more vigorous in its prosecution of Jews than the general population?  Do we frum Jews need to clean up our act?  What do we who sit here at our computers need to do (aside from spellcheck and a few lessons in grammar)?  Perhaps we should take a lesson from the Sotah.  Haroeh sotah b&#8217;kilkulah, yazir min hayayin, Someone who sees a Sodah in her disgrace should abstain from wine.  Let us take current events to heart and strive to do better.  Torah, Tzedakah, Gemilas Chesed, Tefillah, Tehilim, there are plenty of improvements we can each choose which are for us.</p>
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		<title>By: michal</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To misterzee,

Yasher koach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To misterzee,</p>
<p>Yasher koach.</p>
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		<title>By: misterzee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Zalmy

  I regret to inform you that he will not get a fair trial.He has been convicted in the court of public opinion even by fellow Jews.Do not lecture us on fair trial.O.J.Simpson got a fair trial,right?Ever heard of Pollard?Now here we have a real fair trial.What about Scrushy?CEO of Healthsouth.You as well as anyone who never had a run in with the law ,live in fantasyland.I know a very big askan who was detained for connections to Al-Quieda,yes someone who lost freinds and many close yidden to terror attacks was hels in federal detention for 5 months and denied bail (flight risk)and the DA came to court accusing this chashuve askan for connections to Al Queida.When the case came before a judge,it was dismissed and the judge reprimanded the DA for their behavior.Meanwhile he spent 5 months and 75k on a lawyer in what you think is a fair system.Most trial judges are fair and honest from what i have seen,but in traffic court i have seen behavior which is disgusting,so please dont lecture us on the absolute values of our system.Ever wonder why we have 4x the criminals as Canada?What happens when you go north a little?You become a tzadikk?While he should get glatt kosher and tefillin etc. while in jail that does not make his incarceration justified.Having a passport and cash,big deal.Reminds me when i got stopped at customs with 5k,and they questiones me for an hour.I had to explain them that some people actually work and make money and 5k is not a large amount of money.That was also justice.Are you aware that if you speed say 50mph in a 30mph zone you can be jailed for 30 days.Thta is the law,at least that is what a cop told me when he stopped me a while back.He was a real sport he didnt arrest me.
Bottom line,dont pass judgement,pleading guilty is no proof either,because they threaten you either plead guolty or we will throw the book at you.Rubashkin will plea rather than go to trial.It cost around 500k to run through a trial and you never know what way the jury will go.(o.j.etc.)
And I hope you never got paid under the table,and you filed for all your chasunah presents etc.or if your parents gave you mor ethan 10k for a house(i know,you said it was a loan-whio are you fooling)What absolute idiot would invoke din shamayim in regards to this.I dont Rubashkin,I do like his meat,but he deserves our support and so far has committed no chillul hashem as innocent until proven guilty.
#15-are you out of your mind?you have such wide shoulders that u are willing to be mekabel din shamayim?while zalmy makes some valid points,he clearly makes some invalid points.be careful with what you wish for.i wish no harm to any yid(including this ewho stole millions and at one point made me destitute)yet here people are quick to wish upon the other,hashem yerachem.AFRA L&#039;PUEAMACEM.Please,as anti chabad as i am neve rdid i allow it to get personal and wish bad on anyone.Families have lost their parnossoh and yes hundreds of goyim oin pottsville have suffered,this is a lose-lose situation where bully tactic goverment a&#039;la Iraq war is at its finest.Goverment does whatever the hell they want and the masses accept it.It isnt that simple and sadly the Rubashkins are caughtv up this time.BTW,how many frum yidden would you say are tied up with ninja loans,life insurance,goverment aid,etc.etc.NOONE othe rthan reb yakov ztl (and reb noshe,okay and rav pam)would pass the test,the feds have something on everyone,and thats a promise.Tell me your profession and i will tell you your vice.Are you a medical pro?Right your medicare and medicaid billinga would stand scrutiny,are you a lawyer,you kno wwhayt reb moshe said about being a lawyer.maybe a plumber but that wont work becaus eyou get paid cash,ditto elictrician.store owner?you neve rtake cash from someone you know so they dont pay sales tax,right?its not a frumme yidden symptom,its the whole damn usa,thats why we are in such a mess.so lay off the rubashkins.
and if anyone reade this who knows the rubashkins,let the family know that many in klall yisroel are davening for them and our thoughts are with them .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Zalmy</p>
<p>  I regret to inform you that he will not get a fair trial.He has been convicted in the court of public opinion even by fellow Jews.Do not lecture us on fair trial.O.J.Simpson got a fair trial,right?Ever heard of Pollard?Now here we have a real fair trial.What about Scrushy?CEO of Healthsouth.You as well as anyone who never had a run in with the law ,live in fantasyland.I know a very big askan who was detained for connections to Al-Quieda,yes someone who lost freinds and many close yidden to terror attacks was hels in federal detention for 5 months and denied bail (flight risk)and the DA came to court accusing this chashuve askan for connections to Al Queida.When the case came before a judge,it was dismissed and the judge reprimanded the DA for their behavior.Meanwhile he spent 5 months and 75k on a lawyer in what you think is a fair system.Most trial judges are fair and honest from what i have seen,but in traffic court i have seen behavior which is disgusting,so please dont lecture us on the absolute values of our system.Ever wonder why we have 4x the criminals as Canada?What happens when you go north a little?You become a tzadikk?While he should get glatt kosher and tefillin etc. while in jail that does not make his incarceration justified.Having a passport and cash,big deal.Reminds me when i got stopped at customs with 5k,and they questiones me for an hour.I had to explain them that some people actually work and make money and 5k is not a large amount of money.That was also justice.Are you aware that if you speed say 50mph in a 30mph zone you can be jailed for 30 days.Thta is the law,at least that is what a cop told me when he stopped me a while back.He was a real sport he didnt arrest me.<br />
Bottom line,dont pass judgement,pleading guilty is no proof either,because they threaten you either plead guolty or we will throw the book at you.Rubashkin will plea rather than go to trial.It cost around 500k to run through a trial and you never know what way the jury will go.(o.j.etc.)<br />
And I hope you never got paid under the table,and you filed for all your chasunah presents etc.or if your parents gave you mor ethan 10k for a house(i know,you said it was a loan-whio are you fooling)What absolute idiot would invoke din shamayim in regards to this.I dont Rubashkin,I do like his meat,but he deserves our support and so far has committed no chillul hashem as innocent until proven guilty.<br />
#15-are you out of your mind?you have such wide shoulders that u are willing to be mekabel din shamayim?while zalmy makes some valid points,he clearly makes some invalid points.be careful with what you wish for.i wish no harm to any yid(including this ewho stole millions and at one point made me destitute)yet here people are quick to wish upon the other,hashem yerachem.AFRA L&#8217;PUEAMACEM.Please,as anti chabad as i am neve rdid i allow it to get personal and wish bad on anyone.Families have lost their parnossoh and yes hundreds of goyim oin pottsville have suffered,this is a lose-lose situation where bully tactic goverment a&#8217;la Iraq war is at its finest.Goverment does whatever the hell they want and the masses accept it.It isnt that simple and sadly the Rubashkins are caughtv up this time.BTW,how many frum yidden would you say are tied up with ninja loans,life insurance,goverment aid,etc.etc.NOONE othe rthan reb yakov ztl (and reb noshe,okay and rav pam)would pass the test,the feds have something on everyone,and thats a promise.Tell me your profession and i will tell you your vice.Are you a medical pro?Right your medicare and medicaid billinga would stand scrutiny,are you a lawyer,you kno wwhayt reb moshe said about being a lawyer.maybe a plumber but that wont work becaus eyou get paid cash,ditto elictrician.store owner?you neve rtake cash from someone you know so they dont pay sales tax,right?its not a frumme yidden symptom,its the whole damn usa,thats why we are in such a mess.so lay off the rubashkins.<br />
and if anyone reade this who knows the rubashkins,let the family know that many in klall yisroel are davening for them and our thoughts are with them .</p>
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		<title>By: Health</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Yonason and others who agree he shouldn&#039;t be released on bail,
   First of all Yoni, how many times do you have to inform us that you work for law enforcement?
I personally have no negious whether he rots or not. I don&#039;t agree with those bloggers that this is Nazi Germany, but I do think this Judgement is based on anti-semitism. I looked up some news articles online on this case just now. He was arrested two times. The first time he was arrested, he was released on a large bail amt. besides which he had to wear an ankle bracelet and surrender his and his wife&#039;s passports. Now I only found one article that stated whose passports they found this time. It was the kids, not his. Even YWN fails to mention this. It said in the article that the Court found three reasons not to release him this time - 1. The plant is up for sale -so it shows he wants to leave Iowa and there won&#039;t be anymore ties for him to remain in Iowa. (False -it is up for sale because the Rubaskins are in serious financial trouble which was kicked off by the Federal raid.) (If somehow there financial woes are solved, the Rubashkins have no plans on leaving.) 2. He is a flight risk to Israel. (You know the gov&#039;t always says that. Can you imagine the international uproar if every foreigner or immigrant accused of a crime would not be allowed to be released on bail because they might go back to their country of origin. Also, why do they always equate Jews with Israel? Do they equate every Catholic with Rome, Italy? Do they equate evey WASP with England?) 3. They found in his house a &quot;travel&quot; bag with his birth certificate, his kid&#039;s passports and cash. (No one in The US of A besides people trying to run from the law would ever do such a thing.) Also, they know like I know, they can&#039;t enter Israel without a passport. Also, someone who is being monitored 24/7 with GPS has about 5-10 minutes (at the most) to get away before they start chasing him. You can barely get around the block in that time, let alone leave Iowa or the Country. We should learn from the schvartzes, if they even suspect racism, they riot and burn to get their point across. This Judge either suffers from Delusional Paranoia or is an avid Anti-Semite!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Yonason and others who agree he shouldn&#8217;t be released on bail,<br />
   First of all Yoni, how many times do you have to inform us that you work for law enforcement?<br />
I personally have no negious whether he rots or not. I don&#8217;t agree with those bloggers that this is Nazi Germany, but I do think this Judgement is based on anti-semitism. I looked up some news articles online on this case just now. He was arrested two times. The first time he was arrested, he was released on a large bail amt. besides which he had to wear an ankle bracelet and surrender his and his wife&#8217;s passports. Now I only found one article that stated whose passports they found this time. It was the kids, not his. Even YWN fails to mention this. It said in the article that the Court found three reasons not to release him this time &#8211; 1. The plant is up for sale -so it shows he wants to leave Iowa and there won&#8217;t be anymore ties for him to remain in Iowa. (False -it is up for sale because the Rubaskins are in serious financial trouble which was kicked off by the Federal raid.) (If somehow there financial woes are solved, the Rubashkins have no plans on leaving.) 2. He is a flight risk to Israel. (You know the gov&#8217;t always says that. Can you imagine the international uproar if every foreigner or immigrant accused of a crime would not be allowed to be released on bail because they might go back to their country of origin. Also, why do they always equate Jews with Israel? Do they equate every Catholic with Rome, Italy? Do they equate evey WASP with England?) 3. They found in his house a &#8220;travel&#8221; bag with his birth certificate, his kid&#8217;s passports and cash. (No one in The US of A besides people trying to run from the law would ever do such a thing.) Also, they know like I know, they can&#8217;t enter Israel without a passport. Also, someone who is being monitored 24/7 with GPS has about 5-10 minutes (at the most) to get away before they start chasing him. You can barely get around the block in that time, let alone leave Iowa or the Country. We should learn from the schvartzes, if they even suspect racism, they riot and burn to get their point across. This Judge either suffers from Delusional Paranoia or is an avid Anti-Semite!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yonason - If you were sitting in a prison cell in Iowa today, would you want us to engage in Pidyon Shvuyim on your behalf?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yonason &#8211; If you were sitting in a prison cell in Iowa today, would you want us to engage in Pidyon Shvuyim on your behalf?</p>
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