Comments on: Baruch Dayan Emes – Dov Ber Holtzberg

By: Thinking out loud

Thinking out loud — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:40:43 +0000

Tamim Tihye, according to Rabbi Yaakov Hillel, in the Sefer tamim Tihye means, don’t go to mekubalim to solve your problems. The sefer is translated into English:
It is called Faith and Folly.

For yissurim, we already have a precedent:

Teshuva, Tefila, U’Tzedaka Ma’avirin es ro’ah hagezaira.

V’Rapo Yirapay covers Dor Yeshorim
It means we have permission, and it is a mitzvah to use all scientific avenues available to promote health. Genetic illnesses were created by Hashem. He also gave up permission to cure them.

don’t be stupid!

By: tzippi

tzippi — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:27:56 +0000

18, I hate going off on a tangent but it’s important to understand that not everyone understands this pasuk to mean no genetic testing, no life insurance, etc. I guarantee that all the gedolim that DO advocate Dor Yesharim, life insurance, etc. also feel they are living and telling others to live within the parameters of tamim tihye.

By: disposition

disposition — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:23:12 +0000

I would so do a Shidduch with any woman that is versed in the phrase “tamim tihye im Hashem Elokecha.”

By: onlygoodnews

onlygoodnews — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:27:59 +0000

#12 – can you explain further? I was wondering about that – if all of the Chabad Community does not allow for any testing and if so, what the reason is. Thanks

By: tzippi

tzippi — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:27:09 +0000

Before we blast Chabad for not doing Dor Yeshorim, when I recently asked a shadchan to ask the other side to test (we don’t necessarily do it before starting a shidduch but I insist on bringing it up early, before any heartbreak) I just heard for the very first time that there are people who don’t test because of “tamim tihye im Hashem Elokecha.” These people were definitely not Chabad.

(As an aside, if that was the other family’s approach, I would probably not want to do a shidduch with them. Assuming they acted this way – and it might extend to different forms of insurance too – on the directives of a rav they were close to, I would have great respect for their consistency but this is not my derech.)

By: hi345

hi345 — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:21:49 +0000

#12
Im not sure where u get your information from but all chabad mosdos do tay sachs. check your info before publicly posting.

By: just my opinion

just my opinion — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:25:30 +0000

#12 I dont know where you get your information from, but I am Chabad and we do take the test. They come down to our school to take blood from all the students. I do not know what happened in this case, I guess it was bashert for moishele to be born.

By: sarah88

sarah88 — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:10:53 +0000

Chabad belives 100% on dor yesharim- so please reaserch before saying it wasnt according to the Rebbe direction. and we cant juge why this all happend .if he was born its because hashem broought him in this world for a reason that we might not understand.

By: 26 estates

26 estates — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:48:16 +0000

#10 – it was tay sachs and it seems the Chabad community according to the direction of the Rebbe does not do Dor Yishorim.

By: tomidbsimcha

tomidbsimcha — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:33:46 +0000

It should be all the more amazing to us that little Mosheleh is a matanah min hashomayim. He will come to find out when he is older that he lost two siblings to a serious condition that only Shomayim could have been gozer. He lost his parents to a tragedy that also only Shomayim could have been gozer. And he is left with us to carry on the bright light of Torah and bring that ohr shemachzirin l’mutav to all those who tread in choshech.

I will be mispallel that his life be filled with the tachlis Hashem intended he internalize and not the pain of losing mishpocho as he has.

It is a tremendous burden for him, but I trust the chochomim that he will be close to will help him provide the meaning to this precious neshomoh Klal Yisroel is blessed to have. He will certainly be beloved by many.