Comments on: Cheskel’s Shwarma King: An Update & Final Clarification

By: cherrybim

cherrybim — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:02:12 +0000

baki: you can say that, in hindsight, about any mistake in kashrus, and like I said…it happens to the best of hashgachos.

There was a 24 hour hour camera focused on the area and it was thought that was enough.

Do you want to close every hashgacha agency after a mistake is made? You try to anticipate every scenario but when you don’t, you learn and correct it and it’s never repeated.

By: baki

baki — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:31:59 +0000

A goy being sent to buy meat and it then ending up on the rollers without being checked by a yisroel is not an innocent mistake which can happen anywhere. It means that the goy was trusted where halacha does not trust him. whoever it is that caused this, whether proprietor or hashgacha, should not be in the kosher food business. In this case, it seems that the hashgocha’s guidelines were followed. If so, do the math. 2-1……

By: cherrybim

cherrybim — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:53:21 +0000

There is only one way to totally stop this unfortunate event from happening again; just stop eating altogether!

The Shuchan Aruch was written for whom, for chazar fressers? No, for things that happen to frum yidden.

Ask any Kashrus agency, from the CRC to the OU to the Star K or local hasgachas: THINGS HAPPEN, even with mashgichim that are there all the time.

But the sharks smell blood and can’t wait for the kill. It’s r’tzicha mamash and with the vicious comments on the internet where you have destroyed a frum yid’s reputation, parnossa and shidduchim; it’s virtually impossible to do t’shuva. So good luck to you all.

By: Sinaipres

Sinaipres — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:40:38 +0000

How unfortunate that this community lives on gossip.

By: a good zach

a good zach — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:03:39 +0000

To joli and others who commented in that fashion: are you smarter then rabbanim?!!? Every Rav came out supporting this establishment and you think you know better?!!? I don”t mean to rant, but this is the quintessential “chossid shoteh”- (being overly and folishly “religious”)

By: Milhouse

Milhouse — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:59:32 +0000

JOLI, can you guarantee that the kashrus in your home is always going to be 100%, and no mistakes will ever occur?

By: Milhouse

Milhouse — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:58:51 +0000

#3: “I just wanted to add that no “modernishe” hashgacha would allow a store employee to go replenish supplies at the local grocery store. He admitted that employees would go to buy fruits, etc. That is unacceptable. ”

Why on earth not? What’s wrong with it?

By: baki

baki — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:53:56 +0000

!oli, is the issue really what was paid?

By: baki

baki — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:52:16 +0000

From the story released, the store does not need to be shut down, as he seems to have kept to the flawed guidelines of the hechsher. However, the hechsher which issued the flawed guidelines and seems to be brushing off any incident here…….. Lets just say that I will bl”n not be eating from them until I can verify that they have a working system in place.

By: Eli Willner

Eli Willner — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:48:59 +0000

A “shem tov” created by a PR agency (such as the Friedlander Group) is of dubious value. Make no mistake, even accepting the facts as the restaurant itself presents them, there was a serious breach here. A simple, “I’m sorry, I exercised poor judgment, measures have been taken to prevent a recurrence”, on the part of both the owner and the Kashrus agency is in order. Indeed, an agency that shuts such an obvious barn door only after the horse escapes doesn’t deserve to be in business, apology or not. But it’s business as usual and we are being treated to professional spin doctoring instead of apologies or tikkunim. Feh.