Comments on: Out Of The Mailbag: Dov Hikind — AWOL On ‘Same-Gender-Marriage’

By: hayjay

hayjay — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:06:24 +0000

While I totally agree with the criticism of Mr. Hikind, I wonder why nobody asks about why Rav Dovid Feinstein shlit’a to this day has never publically rebuked the orthodox speaker of the NY state assembly Shelly Silver from their lower east side neighborhood for publically voting in favor of toieva marriage in the assembly on 6/12/2007. After all, it is pretty well known that Shelly speaks to Rabbi Dovid Feinstein quite frequently about political issues.

By: casualobserver

casualobserver — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:37:33 +0000

#25:

Who in the world said that I had a problem with anything? I simply asserted that there is a fixation. You seem to have a penchant for paranoia.

Though I will say here that this is the goyim doing what they will do. This isn’t a debate on whether to accept it in our communities. Quite frankly, I don’t really care what they do.

By: marehmakom

marehmakom — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:49:40 +0000

r’ elyah said b’shem a medrash that what the passuk says that the people of c’naan we punished for toe’va was because the instituted a kesuba for same-gender marriages – i.e. they legal redefined marriage.

By: marehmakom

marehmakom — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:47:53 +0000

הגם דמצד עצם האסיור אפשר דע”ז שוה לג”ע מ”מ מצינו שיש חומר מיוחדת לג”ע ושמעתי מאת הג”ר אלי’ שווי כשדרש בכנסת אגודת ישראל שאמר בשם המדרש דהתועיבות שנתבעו הכנענים עליהם הוא מה שתקנו לתת כתובה לזכר. היינו שעשו משכב זכר לדבר חוקיי.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:42:48 +0000

#16 was made by a poster other than myself (using the same name as me.)

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:55:23 +0000

akuperma [24],
If you think such a move doesn’t have a tremendouse effect, then you are living in a buble, I’m supprized you have internet…

By: deepthinker

deepthinker — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:22:56 +0000

i.m. and casual observer.–

Your problem isn’t with this Tzaddik. It’s with the Torah, which places the highest priority on these transgressions–they are even read on the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur, to underscore their importance.

That’s why we have Gedolei Torah–to tell us which should be our priorities–what HaShem wants.

This is not something that is decided by a committee.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:19:39 +0000

Frum Jews don’t hold by civil marriage and divorce. Halacha doesn’t require a “marriage license” from the state. A divorce order from the goyim’s court doesn’t affect the halachic status of a marriage.

They goyim have many questionable (to say the least) cultural practices. As long as it doesn’t affect us, we shouldn’t get involved in their disputes. It is not our issue. This isn’t our world. We are visiting here temporarily. We should be good guests, even if we sometimes get some very strange hosts.

Frum politicans should worry about funding programs that affect Orthodox Jews, and laws that affect our lives, and not trying to tell the goyim what to do.

By: I.M.

I.M. — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:36:32 +0000

This is an area where Rav Avigdor Miller Zatzal chose to venture into with a public and vocal political activism that did border on a fixation. I respect his views and the man.I do disagree though with the practicality of it. I do not think I am Mevaze him in any way by forcefully disagreeing with his political posture. This is something wich should be open to debate, it is not a Halacha in Shulchan Aruch.

By: casualobserver

casualobserver — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:34:10 +0000

#21:

There is a fixation. Why do we not hear the same screams about the fact that idolatry is permitted? Or that adultery is not against the law? Or that people are allowed to blaspheme at will?

I mean seriously, there are problems of equal magnitude which receive little-to-no attention. Rightly or wrongly, there certainly is a fixation.