Comments on: Out Of The Mailbag: Shelly Silver – Mass Chillul Hashem Without Protest

By: grada

grada — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:47:44 +0000

azi,

why dont you try it

By: grada

grada — Wed, 13 May 2009 23:11:04 +0000

dear #36, azi,

the answer to your question of how to function is to have full emuna in hashem that all will be well

By: Vladimir

Vladimir — Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:15 +0000

Charliehall,

Don’t blame Blaine only. There was an effort at a Constitutionally-sound tax credit program that was backed by the OU, Agudah, and l’havdil, the NY Archdiocese, and Sheldon Silver was the major force behind watering it down to the point where it was almost useless.

By: 26 estates

26 estates — Wed, 13 May 2009 14:12:18 +0000

Azi – just so I understand you clearly…..you feel that when YOU decide or know something is right this gives you the right to do as you see fit without the need to ask anyone?

If your answer is yes then I wholeheartedly agree with you, we must be careful when choosing a school for our children. Your hashkofa is wrong and you couldn’t find a Gadol, Rosh Yeshiva or a Rov who would agree with you. We are an Am Echud. We are a Tzibbur. We are not a group of Yechidim free to do what we want. Our religion is based on a Mesora not based on personal feelings.

By: Mordy

Mordy — Wed, 13 May 2009 13:17:54 +0000

Society has a definite obligation not to bestow a seal of legitimacy upon homosexual behaviour. Rabbi Yitzchak Arama, Zt”l, in his commentary on Chumash, points out that the homosexual conduct of Sdom and Amorrah was punished with much more severity than the homosexuality that was rampant in other societies. The reason, he explains, is because in Sdom and Amorrah, homosexuality was given a stamp of approval by the legislature! He writes, “The people of Sdom and Amorrah agreed among themselves that any stranger entering the city would be subjected to homosexual relations.” Removal of the abhorrence and odium associated with a transgression is even more serious a matter than the transgression itself! That is what Mr. Silver helped accomplish! Let us daven that it does not pass the Senate floor.

By: JOLI

JOLI — Wed, 13 May 2009 11:19:52 +0000

Disgusting how far this Sheldon can fall. So if he has to resign as speaker does that give him a right to blatantly transgress 1 of the worst issurim in the Torah???? Second he has a right to vote how he sees fit. Do the majority of citizens in NY state support dirty stuff (I won’t call it marriage as my dictionary defines marriage as a bond between husband and wife etc etc)? Probably not. Plus he can at least abstain from the vote.

By: the lady next door

the lady next door — Wed, 13 May 2009 08:11:59 +0000

david hamelech says in tehillim ‘i am a friend of all those who fear You, those who hate You am their enemy’

we protest toeiva because our Father, Hashem, King of all of Mankind detests it. Anyone who loves Hashem and cares about Him minimally will protest this abomination.

Proud to be a G-d fearing Jew

By: askan

askan — Wed, 13 May 2009 03:44:31 +0000

To #17 and all the organization bashers, for the record the following statement was released on April 17, 2009. The Agudah is on record with their disgust and protest against this bill.Posted here on YWN. That the Agudah had the courage to stand up for what is right in the face of potentialy staggering budget cuts from this same Governor, speaks volumes and should be acknowledged. The writer is correct ,silence on this moral issue would have indeed been a Chillul Hasem. Shtika K’hodah.But the politicians including Shelly know well that the Agudah and the OU came out against it. We live in a very sad world full of monday morning quaterbacks. I assure you, just as all of you took the time tonight to bemoan the passing of this digusting bill had you maybe done something more concrete and work together with our Klal organizations be it the Agudah, the OU the Young Israel etc…, to fight for our community we could accomplish so much more. The critics are full of things our organizations didnt do or couldnt do. Ask Rabbi Zwiebel next time you see him what you can do to help Klal Yisroel. Call Rabbi Lerner Im sure that these men would welcome your genuine help and support.
We need more doers. Stop the crying and get up and fight for your communities. If you dont care for the way things are heading get involved. Im tired of reading the same critisim every day- enough get up or shut up. Now you want to protest? Vote on election day. Join the ranks of the doers and stop complaining.

Agudath Israel Reaction to NYS Governor Paterson’s Marriage-Redefinition Bill
April 17, 2009
Following New York State Governor David A. Paterson’s introduction yesterday of a bill to legalize “Toeiva” marriage in the state, Agudath Israel of America reiterated its long-standing opposition to the proposed move. The organization’s official statement is below.

Agudath Israel of America strongly opposes the proposed redefinition of marriage in New York State.

Societies’ mores constantly shift, but eternal truths remain. The institution of marriage in its traditional form has served as the foundation of family and the bedrock of civilized society since time immemorial. In Agudath Israel’s view, tampering with marriage in the most fundamental way possible, by abandoning its definition as the sanctioned union of woman and man, is fraught with grave social danger.

Moreover, as has been repeatedly shown over recent years, the push to redefine marriage seeks to belittle those individuals and institutions who refuse to abandon their deep-seated and sincere religious beliefs. It is that prospect, more than the preservation of traditional marriage, that should be unacceptable to anyone concerned with basic civil rights.

By: 26 estates

26 estates — Wed, 13 May 2009 02:23:22 +0000

#26 – wrong! We would still need to first ask if we should protest in public even if it hits our pockets.

By: sam rose

sam rose — Wed, 13 May 2009 02:14:22 +0000

I wonder what would happen if they wanted to raise our property tax, income tax, transit fare, etc. by %100. Would you consider it a Chilul Hashem to go out and protest? In other words, we have priorities. When it hits our pockets, we all understand that we’re entitled to protest.