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		<title>By: Health</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Health]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To 26 estates,
   Mr. Macher -acc. to you -this was brought to the gedolim&#039;s attention and they decided that people should do nothing, right? I don&#039;t think anybody asked them -not even you. But you are right- people like you should stay off the net because you start thinking you are a godol or Hashem&#039;s gift to the world. Get off your high horse! If you quote me a name of a godol that said to do nothing about this, you will be exonerated, but I don&#039;t think you have even one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 26 estates,<br />
   Mr. Macher -acc. to you -this was brought to the gedolim&#8217;s attention and they decided that people should do nothing, right? I don&#8217;t think anybody asked them -not even you. But you are right- people like you should stay off the net because you start thinking you are a godol or Hashem&#8217;s gift to the world. Get off your high horse! If you quote me a name of a godol that said to do nothing about this, you will be exonerated, but I don&#8217;t think you have even one!</p>
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		<title>By: 26 estates</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[26 estates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stan - if there were any opinions one two three or more we would hear them. If behind closed doors they differed but for the sake of the Klal came out with one unified opinion we would hear it. As as soon as I hear them I will follow what they say. If they say nothing then there is a reason and I do not need to know it. I am not on their level. 

Just a quick personal story: I once asked Rav Matisyahu Solomon (about 2 years ago)why if there are so many tragedies both personal and for the Tzibbur going on, why don&#039;t the Gedolim tell us what to do? It seems they are very quiet. His response was so fantastic. He answered: They ARE!!! Every time something happens we ARE told clearly what to do. The problem is we don&#039;t want to listen and we think it is not good enough. We want the &quot;Segula&quot; without the &quot;Ikkur&quot;. We don&#039;t feel satisfied that we are doing anything unless it is something tangible. The problem is not the Talmidei Chachomim staying silent said the Lakewood Mashgiach, the problem is the Yetzer Hora is preventing Klal Yisroel from accepting the answer as an adequate one. 

I asked the Mashgiach what is this we are being told that we won&#039;t accept. He answered it is SAY TEHILLIM, DAVEN WITH KAVANA AND FIX THE LACK OF DECORUM IN OUR SHULS! As soon as we realize that the one and only thing we must do is become closer to Hashem everything will be better. Until then, we are sent all types of messages from the RBS&quot;O reminding us that we need to turn to him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan &#8211; if there were any opinions one two three or more we would hear them. If behind closed doors they differed but for the sake of the Klal came out with one unified opinion we would hear it. As as soon as I hear them I will follow what they say. If they say nothing then there is a reason and I do not need to know it. I am not on their level. </p>
<p>Just a quick personal story: I once asked Rav Matisyahu Solomon (about 2 years ago)why if there are so many tragedies both personal and for the Tzibbur going on, why don&#8217;t the Gedolim tell us what to do? It seems they are very quiet. His response was so fantastic. He answered: They ARE!!! Every time something happens we ARE told clearly what to do. The problem is we don&#8217;t want to listen and we think it is not good enough. We want the &#8220;Segula&#8221; without the &#8220;Ikkur&#8221;. We don&#8217;t feel satisfied that we are doing anything unless it is something tangible. The problem is not the Talmidei Chachomim staying silent said the Lakewood Mashgiach, the problem is the Yetzer Hora is preventing Klal Yisroel from accepting the answer as an adequate one. </p>
<p>I asked the Mashgiach what is this we are being told that we won&#8217;t accept. He answered it is SAY TEHILLIM, DAVEN WITH KAVANA AND FIX THE LACK OF DECORUM IN OUR SHULS! As soon as we realize that the one and only thing we must do is become closer to Hashem everything will be better. Until then, we are sent all types of messages from the RBS&#8221;O reminding us that we need to turn to him.</p>
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		<title>By: stan the man</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan the man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is only Gedolim as they who can decide what is a compromise and what is not. If our leaders today feel this is not an important issue, or it is important but not that we become vocal about it then too bad on us if we feel otherwise&quot;. 

TRUE, so true except there are a few minute details missing. Issues are brought to the moetzes hagedolim with the proper information, they then discuss, research and decide. Since mentioning that you are personally involved with our heiligh gedolim, surely you are aware that there is not MAJORITY opinion on each issue (&amp; hardly ever b&quot;h). There happens to be a vote and the majority decides.  (eg. Rav Elyashuv shlit&quot;a and Rav Steinman shlit&quot;a disagreed on a certain issue and the 2 different p&#039;sak was accepted). You have painted a colorful mural of mutual agreement by all leaving out the various strands that make up this mural.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is only Gedolim as they who can decide what is a compromise and what is not. If our leaders today feel this is not an important issue, or it is important but not that we become vocal about it then too bad on us if we feel otherwise&#8221;. </p>
<p>TRUE, so true except there are a few minute details missing. Issues are brought to the moetzes hagedolim with the proper information, they then discuss, research and decide. Since mentioning that you are personally involved with our heiligh gedolim, surely you are aware that there is not MAJORITY opinion on each issue (&amp; hardly ever b&#8221;h). There happens to be a vote and the majority decides.  (eg. Rav Elyashuv shlit&#8221;a and Rav Steinman shlit&#8221;a disagreed on a certain issue and the 2 different p&#8217;sak was accepted). You have painted a colorful mural of mutual agreement by all leaving out the various strands that make up this mural.</p>
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		<title>By: hayjay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hayjay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[G-D bless Dov Hikind for finally stepping up to the plate to rally the troops against this moral disaster threatening to befall New York State, rachmana litzlon. Do you think Dov&#039;s radio show caller SOL-FROM-FLATBUSH finally got to his conscience on this matter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G-D bless Dov Hikind for finally stepping up to the plate to rally the troops against this moral disaster threatening to befall New York State, rachmana litzlon. Do you think Dov&#8217;s radio show caller SOL-FROM-FLATBUSH finally got to his conscience on this matter?</p>
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		<title>By: 26 estates</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[26 estates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Health - sorry to disappoint but I am a man, a husband, a father of many wonderful children and active in my community. If it makes a difference to you I am also involved with Kollelim, Yeshivos and Bais Yaakovs as well as Kiruv organizations and over the 20 years of service in &quot;klal&quot; work have had the Zchus Gadol to speak with many of our Gedolim both here in America and in EY on various different issues. They will tell you that one of the most difficult problems facing Klal Yisroel today is the internet - not only for the obvious but also because it is a forum for Frum people to reach out to so many with their personal agendas without the ability to control it.

YWN is a WONDERFUL site that takes pride and is concerned in spreading only what is important to Klal Yisroel. These posts can be looked at as a problem because everyone voices their opinions and there are thousands of people who check YWN on a daily basis. Or we can look at these posts and see that passion so many Yidden have to see us succeed. There is no nation like ours.

But keep in mind the powerful words of Rav Pam ZT&quot;L, and Rav Elya Svei ZT&quot;L of recent or of R&#039; Aron Kotler ZT&quot;L, Rav Shach ZT&quot;L - all of which is known and available to hear. The ONLY Torah we can have is one WITHOUT ANY compromise whatsoever. Anything else is not Torah. It is only Gedolim as they who can decide what is a compromise and what is not. If our leaders today feel this is not an important issue, or it is important but not that we become vocal about it then too bad on us if we feel otherwise. It makes no difference how clear something may seem to you but you DO need their green light (as you say)in order to know if what you want to do is the right thing.

Don&#039;t make the mistake of acting on your own based on what you think is right. Don&#039;t attempt to gather the troops to support what you think is the way to go. Korach also meant everything Lshem Shomayim. Penina also meant everything Lshem Shomayim when on her own she decided to &quot;bother&quot; her sister Chana in order to inspire her to Daven better, but in the end Penina&#039;s children all died and Chana had Shmuel Hanavi.

Our intentions may be good but if it is not what Hashem wants the real tragedy will be far worse. Only our leaders (not us) can tell us what Hashem wants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health &#8211; sorry to disappoint but I am a man, a husband, a father of many wonderful children and active in my community. If it makes a difference to you I am also involved with Kollelim, Yeshivos and Bais Yaakovs as well as Kiruv organizations and over the 20 years of service in &#8220;klal&#8221; work have had the Zchus Gadol to speak with many of our Gedolim both here in America and in EY on various different issues. They will tell you that one of the most difficult problems facing Klal Yisroel today is the internet &#8211; not only for the obvious but also because it is a forum for Frum people to reach out to so many with their personal agendas without the ability to control it.</p>
<p>YWN is a WONDERFUL site that takes pride and is concerned in spreading only what is important to Klal Yisroel. These posts can be looked at as a problem because everyone voices their opinions and there are thousands of people who check YWN on a daily basis. Or we can look at these posts and see that passion so many Yidden have to see us succeed. There is no nation like ours.</p>
<p>But keep in mind the powerful words of Rav Pam ZT&#8221;L, and Rav Elya Svei ZT&#8221;L of recent or of R&#8217; Aron Kotler ZT&#8221;L, Rav Shach ZT&#8221;L &#8211; all of which is known and available to hear. The ONLY Torah we can have is one WITHOUT ANY compromise whatsoever. Anything else is not Torah. It is only Gedolim as they who can decide what is a compromise and what is not. If our leaders today feel this is not an important issue, or it is important but not that we become vocal about it then too bad on us if we feel otherwise. It makes no difference how clear something may seem to you but you DO need their green light (as you say)in order to know if what you want to do is the right thing.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t make the mistake of acting on your own based on what you think is right. Don&#8217;t attempt to gather the troops to support what you think is the way to go. Korach also meant everything Lshem Shomayim. Penina also meant everything Lshem Shomayim when on her own she decided to &#8220;bother&#8221; her sister Chana in order to inspire her to Daven better, but in the end Penina&#8217;s children all died and Chana had Shmuel Hanavi.</p>
<p>Our intentions may be good but if it is not what Hashem wants the real tragedy will be far worse. Only our leaders (not us) can tell us what Hashem wants.</p>
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		<title>By: essmeir</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[essmeir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ORTHODOX UNION DECRIES NEW YORK ASSEMBLY’S PASSAGE OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL
May 13, 2009
ORTHODOX UNION DECRIES NEW YORK ASSEMBLY&#039;S PASSAGE OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL; LEGISLATION A RADICAL CHANGE TO A TIMELESS INSTITUTION; LEGISLATION LACKS REAL PROTECTIONS FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY

The Orthodox Union, the nation&#039;s largest Orthodox Jewish umbrella organization representing hundreds of synagogues and their members in New York State, is gravely disappointed by the New York State Assembly&#039;s passage of legislation legalizing same sex-marriage.

The Orthodox Union&#039;s leadership issued the following statement in the wake of the Assembly&#039;s vote:

The Orthodox Union opposes in principle the recognition of same sex marriage based on Jewish religious tradition, and we reiterate our opposition to this radical change to a timeless institution today.

Additionally, we take this occasion to particularly note the grave threat to a fundamental civil right - that of religious freedom - this legislation poses. 

Legal scholars on both sides of the same-sex marriage debate agree that codifying same-sex marriage without providing robust religious accommodations and exemptions will create widespread and unnecessary legal conflict that will &quot;reverberate across the legal and religious landscape.&quot; We have already seen religious congregations, social welfare agencies and youth groups which object to same-sex unions penalized by authorities in states where such unions have been legalized.

In recognition of this reality, two states that have recently enacted same sex marriage - Connecticut and Vermont - have incorporated robust and thorough protections of religious liberty in their laws. New York&#039;s legislation has no such protections. 

Irrespective of one&#039;s view on same-sex marriage, it should be extremely troubling to all that New York&#039;s legislation poses a grave, unprecedented threat to religious liberty. Without modifying the legislation to include proper protections for religious liberty, such as those enacted in other states, New York State is about to expand the legal rights of some New Yorkers at the expense of the rights of other New Yorkers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ORTHODOX UNION DECRIES NEW YORK ASSEMBLY’S PASSAGE OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL<br />
May 13, 2009<br />
ORTHODOX UNION DECRIES NEW YORK ASSEMBLY&#8217;S PASSAGE OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL; LEGISLATION A RADICAL CHANGE TO A TIMELESS INSTITUTION; LEGISLATION LACKS REAL PROTECTIONS FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY</p>
<p>The Orthodox Union, the nation&#8217;s largest Orthodox Jewish umbrella organization representing hundreds of synagogues and their members in New York State, is gravely disappointed by the New York State Assembly&#8217;s passage of legislation legalizing same sex-marriage.</p>
<p>The Orthodox Union&#8217;s leadership issued the following statement in the wake of the Assembly&#8217;s vote:</p>
<p>The Orthodox Union opposes in principle the recognition of same sex marriage based on Jewish religious tradition, and we reiterate our opposition to this radical change to a timeless institution today.</p>
<p>Additionally, we take this occasion to particularly note the grave threat to a fundamental civil right &#8211; that of religious freedom &#8211; this legislation poses. </p>
<p>Legal scholars on both sides of the same-sex marriage debate agree that codifying same-sex marriage without providing robust religious accommodations and exemptions will create widespread and unnecessary legal conflict that will &#8220;reverberate across the legal and religious landscape.&#8221; We have already seen religious congregations, social welfare agencies and youth groups which object to same-sex unions penalized by authorities in states where such unions have been legalized.</p>
<p>In recognition of this reality, two states that have recently enacted same sex marriage &#8211; Connecticut and Vermont &#8211; have incorporated robust and thorough protections of religious liberty in their laws. New York&#8217;s legislation has no such protections. </p>
<p>Irrespective of one&#8217;s view on same-sex marriage, it should be extremely troubling to all that New York&#8217;s legislation poses a grave, unprecedented threat to religious liberty. Without modifying the legislation to include proper protections for religious liberty, such as those enacted in other states, New York State is about to expand the legal rights of some New Yorkers at the expense of the rights of other New Yorkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Yeshivish</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Yeshivish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I alway&#039;s had a hunch that &quot;askan&quot; was Menachem Lubinsky. Interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I alway&#8217;s had a hunch that &#8220;askan&#8221; was Menachem Lubinsky. Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Health</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Health]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To 26 estates,
   Now that I know your&#039;e a woman maybe I shouldn&#039;t be responding to you, but just because you are waiting to hear from the gedolim (I hope you don&#039;t wait too long); some of us know what to do without having to be told. If those people want to complain to their gov. reps., they don&#039;t need their Rabbis giving them the green light if it&#039;s clear in their mind that they are doing the right thing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 26 estates,<br />
   Now that I know your&#8217;e a woman maybe I shouldn&#8217;t be responding to you, but just because you are waiting to hear from the gedolim (I hope you don&#8217;t wait too long); some of us know what to do without having to be told. If those people want to complain to their gov. reps., they don&#8217;t need their Rabbis giving them the green light if it&#8217;s clear in their mind that they are doing the right thing!</p>
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		<title>By: askan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[askan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deepthinker,
Great Google searching job, but for an intelligent guy I am pretty surprised that you answered so quickly without investigating my statement a little deeper to actually find out the real truth. Ask some of the older community leaders/officials 
(Abe Biderman, Menachem Lubinsky, Ed Koch or Stan Breznoff )and you will owe me an apology and I will wait for it.
As for the Mayor of NYC I dont work for the Agudah nor is the Agudah honoring him. Again another error you write. It has been long held practice that a government official be invited to address the Agudah constituency at the dinner. Not an award ceremony or anything like that.
 Last year was US Supreme court Justice Antonin Scalia. 

Bash away my friend but it wont solve your problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deepthinker,<br />
Great Google searching job, but for an intelligent guy I am pretty surprised that you answered so quickly without investigating my statement a little deeper to actually find out the real truth. Ask some of the older community leaders/officials<br />
(Abe Biderman, Menachem Lubinsky, Ed Koch or Stan Breznoff )and you will owe me an apology and I will wait for it.<br />
As for the Mayor of NYC I dont work for the Agudah nor is the Agudah honoring him. Again another error you write. It has been long held practice that a government official be invited to address the Agudah constituency at the dinner. Not an award ceremony or anything like that.<br />
 Last year was US Supreme court Justice Antonin Scalia. </p>
<p>Bash away my friend but it wont solve your problems.</p>
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		<title>By: kahane_was_right</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kahane_was_right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I watched the video of Dov Hikind&#039;s statement to the NYS Assembly and I am in awe of this man. I don&#039;t know how he votes in every situation, however, here he humbled himself in front of HaShem and told all the goyim that as a Frum Yid, he has to follow HaShems laws. I&#039;m sure it did not come easy, because the fear is always that if you mention HaShem, you look weak and foolish.

Kol HaKavod Reb Dov!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the video of Dov Hikind&#8217;s statement to the NYS Assembly and I am in awe of this man. I don&#8217;t know how he votes in every situation, however, here he humbled himself in front of HaShem and told all the goyim that as a Frum Yid, he has to follow HaShems laws. I&#8217;m sure it did not come easy, because the fear is always that if you mention HaShem, you look weak and foolish.</p>
<p>Kol HaKavod Reb Dov!!</p>
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