Comments on: More Chillul Hashem: Mail Thieves Caught In Monsey

By: Baalhaboss

Baalhaboss — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:00:47 +0000

I have difficulty understanding what The Yeshiva World is trying to accomplish by publicizing these terrible events. All that is being accomplished is the generation of more slander and loshon hora.

I think that you should not be tempted by the yetzer hora and print everything that comes your way.

These articles all cause terrible sinas chinum which is not what we need.

By: cuty

cuty — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:34:03 +0000

if everyone would stop fighting and arguing(bieng that it is erev tish’a b’av) then maybe things will be more peaceful and moshiach can come.

By: casualobserver

casualobserver — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:21:51 +0000

Telegrok, you are so on the money (pun intended? you decide.) that I have nothing possible to add. Good work.

By: telegrok

telegrok — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:11:41 +0000

#35: With all due respect, you (and no one else) should feel compelled to “afford” a son-in-law. If a man is old enough to get to married, then he should be man enough to support his wife and family. And if he has an agreement with his parents or in-laws or yeshiva or rich uncle that enables him to learn in kollel for a few years, that’s great. But if no one is able or willing to pitch in, then he needs to do what the vast majority of the world does, and that is wake up in the morning, go to shul, grab a cup a coffee, and hit the office/warehouse/sales-floor/loading dock/classroom/computer lab for eight or ten hours each day and earn a paycheck. Period. This whole mishegas about boys feeling that they are “entitled” to a stipend from the girls’ parents is ridiculous.

As for your other concerns, specifically, people who work hard but do not earn enough to pay the necessities of food, clothing, shelter, and tuition, I offer the following: food, clothing, and shelter come first. People must eat, have a roof over the their heads, and have clothes to wear. In situtations so drastic that a yeshiva cannot extend financial assistance to a child, if there is no other alternative, then public school is the only answer. Simply put, a child must learn reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmatic. Because a child who does not learn those skills will in most cases never be able to move up the job ladder. Having said that, home schooling is certainly an option, as well, and may be an alternative to consider.

By: notrichenough

notrichenough — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:33:06 +0000

You all sound to me like smart, knowledgeable and educated. So, give me please a piece of advise. If the amount of money I will make per year is a decision made in Shamaim and this amount of money is not enough to pay for rent, food, clothes and tuition, What should I do? I definitely will not rob the bank or people on a street, I will not send my children to the public school. I can’t make my children to sleep on a street and to eat from the garbage can in order to pay tuition. I see only one solution – if I can’t afford yeshiva, I will keep them home. If I can’t afford a son-in-law, who does not want my daughter unless she will bring him a huge dowry, I will looking for a boy who wants a wife, not a money. I think today for many people money precede the Torah. This is why we have all these tzoros

By: telegrok

telegrok — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:55:13 +0000

#5, yes I was “joking”

#7, yes, I am familiar with Rav Moshe’s p’sak – I wouldn’t take off my yarmulke so much as cover it with a ball cap, but when I was in yeshiva (post high school), I thought to myself, if there is an activity with which I think about taking off or covering my yarmulke because a yid should not be seen doing it, then I probably should not do it – and that pretty much put the kibosh on my movie-seeing career

this is all very, very bad – I think that part of the problem is that kids are taught to venerate rabbonim (a good thing) but respect for civil law and authority is not taught and, at some times, even mocked – and that, nebach, is what leads to some offenses of people trying to take short-cuts and pull a shtick – but this – this thing – out and out theft – terrible

By: irarab

irarab — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:36:26 +0000

I don’t understand how some people are trying to justify this by saying they needed the money for Yeshiva Tuition etc. Even if that is the case, that does not give you the right to steal.

Hillel could not afford to pay for admission to the shiur in the Bais Hamedresh so he climbed up on the snow covered roof in the freezing cold to listen to the shiur by the skylight. I’m sure he could have stolen the money to purchase a ticket to the Bais Hamedresh if that was the proper thing to do.

Please find me one Rov who says its OK to steal money to pay for Yeshivah Tuition.

We live in a community with may Gemachs and Chesed organizations. It’s true that today with the financial crises many of these organizations are stretched very thin but there is no excuse to steal no matter what the case.

We are above the U’mot Ha’Olum. We have a Torah, a Sulchan Orech and Rabonim to guide us.

Even if it was the case that they need money for food or Yeshivah tuition, did they go to their Rov and ask what they should do? I’m sure they did not or the Rov would have tried to help them find a Job, Gamach, a supporter etc.

Even talking about this is ridiculous. These is no excuse for any of this. I hope and pray to Hashem that we never see any more of these headlines.

By: thegootch

thegootch — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:34:57 +0000

#3
Mashiach aint coming to us if we dont straighten out! Dream on

By: irarab

irarab — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:39:07 +0000

#20 So you’re saying it’s OK to steal and cash other people’s checks from the mail if you can’t afford yeshivah tuition to avoid having your children go to public school?

By: Jersey Yid

Jersey Yid — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:36:15 +0000

Why is everything framed in terms of Chilul Hashem, as if that is the problem here. How about the blatant disregard for fundamental aveiros like “thou shall not steal.” Your headlines imply that if they were not caught we would not care; we are jsut embarrased now that they were caught. This is absurd, as you no doubt agree. Please modify your headlines accordingly.