Editors Note: How does “Abe” get to jack@###########.com?

Please. Stop it now.

And no, we are not influenced by anything.

A direct, personal attack, will not be permitted on this forum.

Oh, and your comment was deleted….

I would like to add a few points:

1. You say, the city council has no power over toaiva marriage, the state legislature does. Answer, no politician starts being a state assemblyman or Senator. By helping them raise their political star, you are pushing them along, virtually guaranteeing that the political momentum, will propel them to ultimately be elected to a position where they do have a say. Hence, the people who help a politician start out, do have a responsibility for what he ultimately does later on.

2. Every candidate can win if enough people vote for him. There are upsets all the time. To say that Heyer has no chance is simply ridiculous.

3. The attitude you profess, that as long as he will bring home some bacon, who cares about the moral issues, is the same attitude that causes nebech some of the sad headlines where have been having. This attitude of “hakesef yaane es hakoil”, breeds some to be moira heter for financial shenanigans, that are unfortunately happen too often in our community. This type of attitude gets passed on to our children, and they by osmosis, internalize that for money, everything is ok.

One day, many years from now, you should be able to look your grandchildren in the eye, when they ask you, what did you do to stop to’aiva (which hopefully will never happen) and say “yadaynu loi shafchu es hadam hazeh”?

The last time I met you, on New Utrecht Avenue in Boro-Park, you said you were not taking a position on Obama. You fooled me then and it looks like you’re trying to fool me–and others like me–now.

Well, as they say “Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me!”.

The fact that you have taken the trouble to write this long screed, targeting JOHN HEYER, is the best indication that JOHN HEYER IS A VERY VIABLE CANDIDATE, AND THAT BRAD LANDER AND HIS “NOCH-SCHLEPPERS” ARE RUNNING SCARED.

John Heyer is a very religious Catholic who has demonstrtated that he has the guts to stand up to the other four Toeva-Promoting candidates in this race, in many different political forums and debates. He has demonstrated that he has the courage of his convictions.

Support for John Heyer is snowballing among all the Mosdos and community leaders in Boro-Park, who are now beginning to realize that people who are radical advocates for Toeva lifestyles do not look kindly on traditional Jews to whom these “Alternative Lifestyles” are illegitimate.

CHARACTER COUNTS, AND SO DO WRONGHEADED IDEAS. The BaaLei Mussar have a saying : “Deos Macht Middos.”–Ideas create character. If you have crooked ideas, you will have crooked character.

And…let’s not forget: Many many Gedolim have bewailed the tendency of some of our community leaders to openly support people who want to destroy the foundations of this county–decent families–in exchange for a mess of pottage.

Even if were true–which it is not–that Lander or one of the other Toeva candidates were ahead–we could not campaign for him, because of the Chilul HaShem in the eyes of decent Americans, who see us choosing a Toeva promoter over a man who speaks up for decency and family.

How much more important is it to support JOHN HEYER, a candidate who speaks out for decent values and the rights of religious parents to be funded equally with public school parents when HEYER has a very real chance of winning this race.

The bottom line is, Ezra, that you are trying to create a “bandwagon effect” for someone you have committed yourself to, and it won’t work!

EZRA we are sick and tired of all the pandering to special interest groups that have no votes and do not represent the will of the people so please don’t speak in the name of torah and in the name of our rabunim and in the name of klall yisroel .

And for the record I have met the candidate John Heyer he is a gem of a nice guy a religious person who is guided by principles that may put to shame many of us.
Thank you and Gutt Shaabos

This is nothing to debate about. If a godol says the obviuos who are we to be stupid and disagree?

Where is Sol?