Comments on: Bill Would Give Obama ‘Emergency’ Control Of Internet

By: YonasonW

YonasonW — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:09:06 +0000

My my mamarachel(# 16) – Either start reading some serious political source materials – or hide under your bed in paranoid fear of the Black man in the White House.

I have just about had it with the ungrateful,uninformed, ignorant and hateful diatribes against Liberalism in this site

First, as to Marxism – you might start by talking to Yidden who actually have lived in Communist countries – to say that Obama is a Marxist merely demonstrates that you know nothing about either Marxist ideology or Communist history.

You seem to know nothing of Liberalism either – Ted Kennedy was a classic New Deal Liberal, as am I . . and you owe him and other Liberals a great deal.

The Liberal ideology, to paraphrase a recent newspaper opinion piece, holds simply that the force of government should be used to improve conditions for the greatest possible number of citizens, with special emphasis on the least powerful in society – the excluded and disadvantaged. A Liberal beleves that this is the paramount role of government.

Thus, to name a few programs – you can thank Liberal legislative initiatives for: Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid; unemployment insurance; Section 8; Food Stamps; minimum wage; fair labor standards; anti-discrimination laws (including laws that protect YOUR right to religious expression); due process protections; special education funding for all children . . . and it is Liberals now who believe that reasonable access to health care should be a RIGHT of all citizens – a position held by absolutely every democracy in the world . . excepot this country

Reasonable people may differ on issues – but so much of what I see here is no more valid and no less hateful than the blood libles against Yidden.

By: mamarachel

mamarachel — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:02:34 +0000

First of all, the kennedy’s were blatant Sonei Yisroel!!!!

Second, Obama is going to use his POWER to oppress all free Americans. He HATES everything that the constitution stands for. What happened during the depression in the 1930′s? id the government have to take over the banks? When your business has a hard year, you don’t give up & BAIL OUT, you reorganize your own business decisions. This whole thing is an unending hunger for POWER!!! It must be stopped before he has all those who disagree with him shut up never to speak again! This doesn’t sound like Socialism, to me it is Marxism!! He will be another Chavez & Housein as his name implies!!

By: YonasonW

YonasonW — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:36:05 +0000

Joseph (#11) – You totally run over a critical distinction – that between (a) one who is a terrorist and (b) one merely charged as a terrorist; in doing so you support findings of guilt made without offering a defendant a chance to counter the allegations against against him.

I.e. The Bush administration denied basic, elementry due process to people charged as “enemy comatants” or as terrorists – denying them a fair opportunity to contest the charges against them.

By: Shlomo2

Shlomo2 — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:27:34 +0000

Wow! Rabbosai, less time with the talk radio pundits and right-wing TV and more time reading.
1) Emergency powers granted to the gov’t in order to protect critical infrastructure is not socialism (if the gov’t decides that it needs those emergency powers during a loosely defined crisis and does so for years, then it is more fascist than socialist)
2) Cyber-security is not a joke. The implications of a cyber-attack on the US are catastrophic (but, no, hyrdogen bombs won’t be launched: it takes way more than a computer command to launch and those computers aren’t on the internet).
3)Private companies are unlikely to take the necessary steps
4) Gov’t does have a role to play but it needs to be prepared for it. After Katrina hit, I didn’t hear comments like “where was private industry to save me?”
5) Under Obama, the debt has gone up and so has unemployment but to simply compare him to GWB is disingenuous: the economic slide started with GWB and some policies went back to Clinton. Obama doesn’t deserve all of the blame.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:47:43 +0000

charlie – President Bush never denied any non-terrorist their civil liberties.

By: mark levin

mark levin — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:21:34 +0000

It is time we all call our reps in Congress and remind them that we are no longer standing for the Obama Socialist Agenda and all the shenanigans that come along with it. They need to do REAL investigations into all his czars and how they are allowed to have the power given to them. Obama aligned himself with communists and people who DESPISE the country.

This is not a Democrat/Republican/Liberal/Conservative thing. If we are to have any country worth fighting for we need to take it back from the extreme far left and bring it back more center where we all operate better.

Call them and tell them you are no longer standing for this garbage. We cannot be 11 trillion in the hole with the Federal Reserve saying that we are really at 16% unemployment!! How the ObamaMania press claims this is good is amazing considering when under GWB unemployment was hovering around 5% we were told it was horrendous!!

By: casualobserver

casualobserver — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:18:22 +0000

#4:

I agree with you 1 million percent. I don’t know if you think I’m like those people you described, but I think that anyone who has spent enough time here to know could tell you that I do not hesitate to advocate the unpopular position supporting the rights of people who do things with which we vehemently disagree. I am fairly conservative (possibly more libertarian), and still an ardent supporter of fair and equal treatment for all. The two are not mutually exclusive, nor are they mutually exclusive with Judaism.

By: leonard613

leonard613 — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:39:54 +0000

akuperma:
Stop your posturing already. Genuk shoin.

Obama is a dangerous man in regard to:
(a)Our civil liberties including but not limited to healthcare; business etc
(b) our constitution.
(c) our morality as a nation
(c) If Obama does not realize that his policies are errant, you will not recognize this country in three years. Hashem Yishmor

My friend, akuperma: It is about time you face reality.

Obama is democrat in the same mold as Teddy Kennedy and not JFK or even Bill Clinton for that matter.

Obama is more a leftist than Jimmy carter. Power in his hand scares me to death.

The left was petrified of our wonderful President George W. Bush because of the Patriot Act, and yet when it comes to one of their idols they are Shah Shtill.

What a bunch of hypocrites.
Where are those civil libertarians (that are democrats) that you speak of?

By: must_hock

must_hock — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:28:30 +0000

agree with #2, the goverment want to own our lives
car companies, health care, internet, if theres anything else that you can think of the government (hussein obama)is on its feet ready to take that as well, RABOSAI THIS IS NOT A JOKE

By: YonasonW

YonasonW — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:10:03 +0000

#3 Civil rights? Remember that the next time the civil right is for a cause, or for a people, not in favor with the frum community.

Yidden on this site generally favor all rights for us, and perhaps civil rights for upstanding white establishment goyim, but generally scream “anti-Torah Liberal” when the rights are for causes for which we have no sympathy.

It is a fundemental principle – a klal gadol if you will – that one measures the legal freedoms of a society by how it treats the unlikable, the mentally ill, the criminal and the scoundrel. It’s no chidush to defend the rights of either ourselves or those with whom we are in agreement.