Comments on: UPDATED: Gunman Attacks North Hollywood Synagogue In Possible Hate Crime

By: haifagirl

haifagirl — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:32:08 +0000

#21:

Okay we have an event: 2 people were shot. And yes, they happened to be Jews at a shul.

Evidence: So far we don’t really have any, or at least I don’t.

Witnesses: Any witness accounts have not appeared on YWN yet.

So, we really don’t know anything, do we? And if you look at the update posted since this report, you will see that one of the victims may have been targeted. Or maybe not. We really don’t know. And maybe he was targeted because he was a Jews. Or maybe not. We really don’t know. He may have been targeted for any number of reasons, many of which would not even be his fault.

#18 & #21:

If somebody pulls out a gun, points it at someone, and shoots, that is generally not an accident. And yes, there is intent to commit a crime. But exactly WHAT is the intent? That is what takes a mindreader. And if somebody is shot and killed because he is Jewish, or if he is shot and killed because he got in the way of a robbery, or if he is shot and killed for any other reason whatsoever, he’s still just as dead.

By: Thoughts for a Penny

Thoughts for a Penny — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:00:01 +0000

AinOhdMilvado, read this and tell me what you think?

KTLA REPORTS: Police investigating a double shooting at a synagogue are looking into whether the shootings were related to a business or personal dispute.

Detectives now believe one of the victims was the target, and that a second victim may have been shot because he witnessed the attack.

By: yankdownunder

yankdownunder — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:02:00 +0000

What a senseless tragedy we should say tehilim for the victims- what is their names. May they both have a refua shalamah now.

By: justajew

justajew — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:03:55 +0000

#17 haifagirl

There is no mindreader, we rely on the event (was a person beat up and robbed, or just beat up), evidence (was the event premeditated and planned), and witnesses (did the guy scream “I hate you, you filthy Jew,” or did he say “give me your money or I’ll kill you).

This is what the juries decide. All deaths and all crimes are not equal.

By: JudySL

JudySL — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:46:41 +0000

Galus

By: Hatzair

Hatzair — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:39:59 +0000

#12 as an employee of City Government and a Jew who grew up with guns in the house and lost family in Germany ( interestingly enough after they were first disarmed of their guns) I am all too aware of the sad realities of NYC and many other metropolitan gun laws, my comment was intended to perhaps draw more attention to this and ask why we as a Kehilla do not pressure our politicians more , especially our JEWISH politicians to push for moral gun laws, it is as much a Jewish issue as anything else that we somehow can come together and push for ( sanitation tickets, or whatever else) we need to mobilize to change these immoral laws , I am encouraged by all the comments on here in favor of armed self defense, I will now speak to my boss

By: haifagirl

haifagirl — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:23:52 +0000

#5: We do punish criminals differently based on intent

And who is the official mindreader who determines the intent?

By: TikvaS

TikvaS — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:15:57 +0000

#13 This is not the time to assume things. I am not moroccan and this is my shul and my community and I know one of the shot very well and they are good people will amazing kids! Watch what you say at a time like this.

By: AinOhdMilvado

AinOhdMilvado — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:13:34 +0000

To: “thoughts for a penny” – I have to say I think a penny is about all your thoughts are worth! Why would you be choshaid b’k'shairim in either of the cases in your posts. Unless you have specific information as evidence for your allegations, you have no right and no reason to suggest that any of these victims were anything but that – VICTIMS! I hope HaSh-m is not so quick to indict as you are, when you stand before Him.

By: Thoughts for a Penny

Thoughts for a Penny — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:02:03 +0000

In a neighborhood very close to where the shooting happened, an interesting incident happened several years ago. Two black guys entered someone’s home and beat up the owner and put him in the hospital for an extended stay. At first the sensational reaction was “hate crime” “lock your doors- home invasion robberies in the neighborhood” etc. But after a while, it became clear that the two thugs entered the house, left the wife and children alone and didn’t steal anything. They obviously targeted an individual for punishment. Soon after he emerged from the hospital, he made Aliya and is supposedly learning in Israel. I wonder what he did to provoke the incident?