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	<title>Comments on: Out Of The Mailbag &#8211; Lakewood Should Be Endorsing Chris Christie</title>
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		<title>By: chanie T.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chanie T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today is the day. Let the lesser of the 3 evils&#039; win!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is the day. Let the lesser of the 3 evils&#8217; win!</p>
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		<title>By: 08701lakewood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[08701lakewood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI: don’t be so naive. Mr. K does NOT exist! He’s a made up story to scare you to vote for the VAADs corzine. Use your seichel Hashem has given you (hanosen lasecvi vina lehavchin…) and don’t be gullible to all these last ditch effort scare tactics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: don’t be so naive. Mr. K does NOT exist! He’s a made up story to scare you to vote for the VAADs corzine. Use your seichel Hashem has given you (hanosen lasecvi vina lehavchin…) and don’t be gullible to all these last ditch effort scare tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: goodbye</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goodbye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#87:
What do you think could have caused christie to have that attitude? isn&#039;t everyone looking for exposure and votes? it&#039;s you people who shut out YOUR GOVERNOR, stupid! YOU are sending him the message loud and clear that you don&#039;t want to hear about him! it&#039;s the ENDORSEMENT, STUPID!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#87:<br />
What do you think could have caused christie to have that attitude? isn&#8217;t everyone looking for exposure and votes? it&#8217;s you people who shut out YOUR GOVERNOR, stupid! YOU are sending him the message loud and clear that you don&#8217;t want to hear about him! it&#8217;s the ENDORSEMENT, STUPID!</p>
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		<title>By: avi732</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[avi732]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;beauty&quot; of these forums is that anybody can write whatever they want without any way for us to verify if it&#039;s true or not. Case in point.#86 writes that he/she knows &quot;for a fact that Rav Malkiel spoke with Rav Shteinman&quot;  who said we should endorse Corzine. #87 writes that a &quot;Mr. K&quot; had a 2 hour face to face meeting with Christie who had some very unsavory things to say about Lakewood. There&#039;s no way for anyone to verify the truth of these claims. Would you believe that I met with Rav Eliashiv who told me to endorse Christie and that Mr. P had a 2 hour face to face meeting with Corzine who called us every name in the book? If you did you&#039;d be a fool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;beauty&#8221; of these forums is that anybody can write whatever they want without any way for us to verify if it&#8217;s true or not. Case in point.#86 writes that he/she knows &#8220;for a fact that Rav Malkiel spoke with Rav Shteinman&#8221;  who said we should endorse Corzine. #87 writes that a &#8220;Mr. K&#8221; had a 2 hour face to face meeting with Christie who had some very unsavory things to say about Lakewood. There&#8217;s no way for anyone to verify the truth of these claims. Would you believe that I met with Rav Eliashiv who told me to endorse Christie and that Mr. P had a 2 hour face to face meeting with Corzine who called us every name in the book? If you did you&#8217;d be a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: gunther</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gunther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B&quot;H it seems from this discussion that the lakewood oilom is not fooled by corrput politicians cynically parading as rabbonim and co-opting the concept of emunas chachomim for their own putrid goals.

halevai the oilam in Eretz Yisroel should learn from you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H it seems from this discussion that the lakewood oilom is not fooled by corrput politicians cynically parading as rabbonim and co-opting the concept of emunas chachomim for their own putrid goals.</p>
<p>halevai the oilam in Eretz Yisroel should learn from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Serious For A Moment</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serious For A Moment]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just had a very disturbing conversation, with a very active member of the state and national Republican party who lives in Lakewood. 

Mr. K, as we shall call him, told me that he will be holding his nose this election day and voting Democratic for the first time in his life. The reasons he elucidated jolted me as well. 
 
Mr. K told me he had a two hour face to face meeting with Chris Christie and asked him to come campaign in Lakewood. Christie refused. Christie insinuated that he is totally turned off from the Jewish community of Lakewood.
 
Mr. K. met with some of Christie&#039;s biggest contributors to enlist them in getting Christie to come to Lakewood and meet with the Jewish leadership and he refused them as well.
 
Based on that rather blunt and brusque meeting, Mr. K was extremely repulsed and disenchanted with Mr. Christie.
 
Mr. K believes very strongly that Mr. Christie is NO friend of the Lakewood Orthodox Jewish community. 
 
You would think that Christie would naturally be inclined to reach out to our community which is fair-minded in moral values and fiscal conservatisms. Opting not to come to the largest town in Ocean County and the fastest growing town in New Jersey has to raise many red flags.
 
Actions speak louder than words.
 
Mr. K also believes that social services will be reduced as well as social service monies currently available to our kehilla in an effort to &quot;trim&quot; the budget. 
 
Mr. K believes that, given the opportunity, a &quot;Governor&quot; Christie would initiate tax and oversight investigations that would harm many of the mosdos, shuls and even simple gemachs in our town.
 
Mr. K is not a part of the VAAD and never was. Mr.  K&#039;s only purpose in reaching out to the public was to convey his feelings and sentiments which he strongly believes are accurate and true. 
 
Mr. K,  like I mentioned earlier, is very involved in state and national politics and is understandably choosing to remain anonymous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had a very disturbing conversation, with a very active member of the state and national Republican party who lives in Lakewood. </p>
<p>Mr. K, as we shall call him, told me that he will be holding his nose this election day and voting Democratic for the first time in his life. The reasons he elucidated jolted me as well. </p>
<p>Mr. K told me he had a two hour face to face meeting with Chris Christie and asked him to come campaign in Lakewood. Christie refused. Christie insinuated that he is totally turned off from the Jewish community of Lakewood.</p>
<p>Mr. K. met with some of Christie&#8217;s biggest contributors to enlist them in getting Christie to come to Lakewood and meet with the Jewish leadership and he refused them as well.</p>
<p>Based on that rather blunt and brusque meeting, Mr. K was extremely repulsed and disenchanted with Mr. Christie.</p>
<p>Mr. K believes very strongly that Mr. Christie is NO friend of the Lakewood Orthodox Jewish community. </p>
<p>You would think that Christie would naturally be inclined to reach out to our community which is fair-minded in moral values and fiscal conservatisms. Opting not to come to the largest town in Ocean County and the fastest growing town in New Jersey has to raise many red flags.</p>
<p>Actions speak louder than words.</p>
<p>Mr. K also believes that social services will be reduced as well as social service monies currently available to our kehilla in an effort to &#8220;trim&#8221; the budget. </p>
<p>Mr. K believes that, given the opportunity, a &#8220;Governor&#8221; Christie would initiate tax and oversight investigations that would harm many of the mosdos, shuls and even simple gemachs in our town.</p>
<p>Mr. K is not a part of the VAAD and never was. Mr.  K&#8217;s only purpose in reaching out to the public was to convey his feelings and sentiments which he strongly believes are accurate and true. </p>
<p>Mr. K,  like I mentioned earlier, is very involved in state and national politics and is understandably choosing to remain anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: really?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[really?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You people all listen to talk radio for a few hours a day and all of the sudden you think you have a clear understanding of politics. You learn for an hour a day and all the sudden you’re Rav Shach and know what the right thing to do is. 
I know for a fact that Rav Malkiel spoke to Rav Ahron Leib Shteinman shlita who advised him to endorse Governor Corzine. 
Believe it or not The Lakewood Vaad is made up of many members, including people with no affiliation to and Mosad. 
So grow up and take in to account that there are some things that you may not understand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people all listen to talk radio for a few hours a day and all of the sudden you think you have a clear understanding of politics. You learn for an hour a day and all the sudden you’re Rav Shach and know what the right thing to do is.<br />
I know for a fact that Rav Malkiel spoke to Rav Ahron Leib Shteinman shlita who advised him to endorse Governor Corzine.<br />
Believe it or not The Lakewood Vaad is made up of many members, including people with no affiliation to and Mosad.<br />
So grow up and take in to account that there are some things that you may not understand.</p>
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		<title>By: techguy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[techguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This person has it down pat: http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9219/votelakewood.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This person has it down pat: <a href="http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9219/votelakewood.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9219/votelakewood.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: chanie T.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chanie T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It not for nought that Lakewood is known thought Torah Frum world, as the most corrupt and politicized Frum community in the world. Truth be told, people despise it for those reasons. I&#039;m sure Rav Aaron ZT&quot;L is really proud of his namesake and his croonies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It not for nought that Lakewood is known thought Torah Frum world, as the most corrupt and politicized Frum community in the world. Truth be told, people despise it for those reasons. I&#8217;m sure Rav Aaron ZT&#8221;L is really proud of his namesake and his croonies.</p>
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		<title>By: DaasTorahWtchdg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DaasTorahWtchdg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much #62, Yacovoflkwd. Very well written, and very true. 

Although in our hearts we want nothing more than to strike a blow at Corzine/Obama and ilk, at the end of the day we must have achrayus to do what&#039;s right for our mosdos, for they are our stream of life and nothing else, first and foremost being the great citadel of Torah - Bais Medrash Govoha. And nobody knows all the nuances of the needs of the mosdos like the Chashuve Lakewood Vaad. Have no doubt that they confer every single big and little issue with the Roshei Hayeshiva and the Mashgiach shlit&quot;a. So we should follow them BLINDLY, like I have quoted many a time: afilu omer l&#039;cha al yemin shehu smol v&#039;al smol shehu yemin.

I am shocked that Harav S. B. Cohen shlit&quot;a, one of the chashuve rabbonim and baalei horaa of Lakewood, would come out publicly AGAINST the endorsement of the roshei hayeshiva. I really refuse to believe he said so. Anyway, if indeed he did, we should only listen to what the roshei hayeshiva say. &quot;Lo Bashamayim Hi&quot;.

This business with families being taxed too much and all the other empty tainos are all the &quot;hot air&quot; of a few hotheads that have no &quot;raiach hatorah&quot; in them. History has proven that it&#039;s not the &quot;high-tax&quot; Democrats that bring tough economic times (case-in-point: Bill Clinton), and not the &quot;low-taxes&quot; Republicans that bring good economic times (case-in-point: George W. Bush). It&#039;s all ONLY THE RIBONO SHEL OLOAM!!! So the only thing that will help all matters is we do what He wants: listen to what our gedolim say without any hesitation and &quot;chakiros&quot;. &quot;Uvasa el hacohen asher yihyeh bayamim hahem&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much #62, Yacovoflkwd. Very well written, and very true. </p>
<p>Although in our hearts we want nothing more than to strike a blow at Corzine/Obama and ilk, at the end of the day we must have achrayus to do what&#8217;s right for our mosdos, for they are our stream of life and nothing else, first and foremost being the great citadel of Torah &#8211; Bais Medrash Govoha. And nobody knows all the nuances of the needs of the mosdos like the Chashuve Lakewood Vaad. Have no doubt that they confer every single big and little issue with the Roshei Hayeshiva and the Mashgiach shlit&#8221;a. So we should follow them BLINDLY, like I have quoted many a time: afilu omer l&#8217;cha al yemin shehu smol v&#8217;al smol shehu yemin.</p>
<p>I am shocked that Harav S. B. Cohen shlit&#8221;a, one of the chashuve rabbonim and baalei horaa of Lakewood, would come out publicly AGAINST the endorsement of the roshei hayeshiva. I really refuse to believe he said so. Anyway, if indeed he did, we should only listen to what the roshei hayeshiva say. &#8220;Lo Bashamayim Hi&#8221;.</p>
<p>This business with families being taxed too much and all the other empty tainos are all the &#8220;hot air&#8221; of a few hotheads that have no &#8220;raiach hatorah&#8221; in them. History has proven that it&#8217;s not the &#8220;high-tax&#8221; Democrats that bring tough economic times (case-in-point: Bill Clinton), and not the &#8220;low-taxes&#8221; Republicans that bring good economic times (case-in-point: George W. Bush). It&#8217;s all ONLY THE RIBONO SHEL OLOAM!!! So the only thing that will help all matters is we do what He wants: listen to what our gedolim say without any hesitation and &#8220;chakiros&#8221;. &#8220;Uvasa el hacohen asher yihyeh bayamim hahem&#8221;.</p>
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