Comments on: Obama Signs ‘ObamCare’ Into Law

By: baronzev

baronzev — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:30:30 +0000

#17
With all due respect you have no idea what your talking about-on many accounts. Just for starters, if this bill was so good why did congress exempt themselves from it? It is a tremendous affront on our liberties and Chas veshalom on our abilities to make our own decisions.

By: hereorthere

hereorthere — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 05:06:36 +0000

Wait a minute……… Is Tendler just a doctor?
I had thought he was a rav or other gadol.
If he is not then, I would not be doing any averias if he were wrong, and I said so.

Also England years ago (I believe I heard on Sean Hannity’s show)had a lottery where the winner got to get a denitsts appointment.

And my quote in my last post about the pain pill shows that even Obama is admitting people will be denied necessary care.

That is because it is not about people being cared for.
It is a scam which will allow the government to take over every aspect of our lives, Stalin style.

By: RavBaruch

RavBaruch — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:54:46 +0000

This bill is making America do be a country based on Torah laws. It’s a good thing. Just remember that! This is what Hashem wants!

By: Ben Levi

Ben Levi — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:50:17 +0000

Charlie Hall the randomized tests do not prove it does not save any lives rather it proves that they save fewer lives then one would think and are thereby not cost efficient.
However in he torah view of “one who save a single life it is if he saved an entire world” as long as screening save that single life it is considered “cost efficient”.

By: Ben Levi

Ben Levi — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:47:45 +0000

Charliehall
Why oh Why do you continue to state Dr Tendlers stupidity and refuse to address the fact that that I have publicly debunked every point he said and you posted in the Coffee Room?

By: charliehall

charliehall — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:58:10 +0000

hereorthere,

The United Kingdom does not aggressively screen for breast cancer because multiple randomized studies — the gold standard for medical research — have shown that such screening does not save lives. I have personally given several presentations on this matter (I’m a biostatistics professor) and I am giving another in May.

justsmile613,

Gallup reported today 49% approval of the health care bill, 40% disapproval. Not 65% disapproval.

mark levin,

Health insurance is neither a right (Judaism isn’t much for “rights”) nor a privilege. It is an obligation on the community. So said Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler a few years ago and no rabbi of any prominence has disproved him on this point.

By: hereorthere

hereorthere — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:54:51 +0000

YonasanW if you do not know what you are talking about, then how can you go around making such claims and vilifying anyone who disagrees with you?

Obviously is not mark levin – or lark mevin, who is having the tantrums or ranting.

And your “quote” means nothing, it is just
another rant from a liberal Republican, so he said that, so what?

It is just his opinion, not fact.
He ‘proved’ nothing.

And in England with their ‘wonderful’ health care women there cannot get breast cancer screening because it’s ‘not in the budget’.

This health scam will also force people to suffer from lack of treatment because it is not in the budget.

Just like Obama said about a woman who needes hip replacement surgery, “she should just take the pain pill”.

There is your liberal “compassion”.

Perhaps some of those Kollel people wered not meant to stay in Kollel if they cannot afford it.

I had to leave yeshivah with a total lifetime learning in yeshivah being only 2 years because I could not afford it, no one came around and paid MY way to make sure I could keep learning which I desparately wanted to do.

So now you are supporting a scam which will force me to pay money I do not have for health insurance I cannot afford and it will be taken from my taxes by IRS which will leave me with too little money to pay rent which in turn will force me out onto the street.

Thanks but no thanks for your overwhelming “compassion’.

By: justsmile613

justsmile613 — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:24:27 +0000

Yonason, do you pay for insurance??….this is rubbish. 65% of the country DOESNT want it. I hope Obama will be outvoted in 2012 (if Moshiach isnt here by then Ch”v)

By: mark levin

mark levin — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:22:19 +0000

“Let me get this straight……we’re trying to pass a health care plan… written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it,… passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it …but exempts themselves from it, … to be signed by a president that also hasn’t read it …and who smokes, …with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes,… all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, …and financed by a country that’s broke. What could possibly go wrong?” – Anonymous

By: mark levin

mark levin — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:21:45 +0000

YonasonW, the cbo said that the number was preliminary and they knew they didnt exactly get the right info. they could only go by the pile of manure placed in front of them. Of course if your crooked friends in power would be honest (HA! An honest democrat?!!?) they would tell you that the reason it looked so good is because they were collecting money on the deal starting almost right away and not paying out for almost 5 years, thus getting a head start!

When Obama’s Oh My Gosh The Deficit Is So High We Need To Get It Lower Committee comes back to him with the truth of how it is not sustainable and they have to make more taxes including a Value Added Tax (VAT), what will you say then? Are you ready for EVERYTHING to go up in price overnight by 20 PERCENT??

You must be very nearsighted and you can only see to the tip of your nose. What you dont see is how this has not worked in any other country and all other countries do this on a much smaller level. You think employers wont try to save money on health costs by putting everyone on the govt program. Once that happens premiums go up and the govt starts bashing insurance companies again only to take them over altogether.

I looked up some of the articles on the American Enterprise Institute website and I could tell you they DO NOT represent Conservative views. Had you quoted from The Heritage Foundation, you would have had my ear. American Enterprise Institute may have some right leanings but thats not enough.

Just remember, the Constitution, a document Obama doesnt like, says nothing about FORCING people to buy anything.

Your examples in 9 are nice tearjerkers and I feel bad for these people but not everyone has insurance. In those cases we pay for things out of pocket. If they have existing conditions, there are ALWAYS policies for them but they would of course have to pay more. That’s why its called INSURANCE because it INSURES. Your kolel people are committing fraud and their Torah is WORTHLESS!

Health insurance is not a right, it is a privilege. Too bad you and your leftist friends have lost the meaning of PRIVILEGE.

Do I sound cruel, maybe but this is not all about me. This is about everyone. Almost 70% of the country told Congress we didnt want this bill but they told us to Drop Dead and they did it anyway. We will have our day barring any more shenanigans by Obama and we will vote them all out in November.