But just to recap a tiny fraction of that post.

You said in the Rubashkin thread which I had cut and pasted to prove; I “constantly get things wrong”.

You are wrong.

Now you claim I got eevery detail wrong in the Hansen case.

He was traitor, I was not wrong about that.

He got Americans killed with his treason, I was not wrong about that.

He was a white, non Jew I was not wrong about that.

So again you are the who is wrong and making up things.

As for your second paragraph above, you claim;
I think in most cases, parents get their children Ritalin after consulting with doctors and many of those children use the drug to reach their potential. As I said in the beginning, I’ve personally witnessed it ”

so now you are claiming to have visited millions of people and witnessed all their concversations with their doctors.

The only other person ever to have been said to be able to do that does not exist, he is a fantasy character.

And yes, I agree that if a teacher gives his students Ritalin because he doesn’t have the patience to deal with the student (the case you seem to be describing) that’s bad. Fortunately, I think in most cases, parents get their children Ritalin after consulting with doctors and many of those children use the drug to reach their potential. As I said in the beginning, I’ve personally witnessed it and blanket statements suggesting that that does not happen are inane.

If they are not fullfilling their potential they arer not learning as Torah repuires them to learn, not that they are not learning at all.

I never said they cannot learn “at all”.

If they are doped up, just because some incompetent fool did not have the pateince or intelligence to teach them properly and just wanted them “quieted down” just to be out of the way so they did not have to deal with them then that boy is is being mistreated and mistreated people cannot learn as well as those who are taught and treated properly.

That what my point then, and I stand by that.

And actually you said I got all the detail wrong, and did not specify they were wrong only about the Baldwin story and in fact the details of what he said and yelled were not wrong and those were the important part of the details.

Andf another deatil I did not get wrong was who said it.
We both agree it ‘was’, Alec Baldwin who said it.

So still I did not get “all the details wrong” not even if you want to ‘now’ apply that statement to just the Baldwin story.

By the way, I came back to this board because I wanted to make sure that I’d never said that you got “all the details” wrong in the Baldwin story, because you put that in quotes when you said I did and then insisted you only got some of the details wrong (which is what I said). It’s annoying that I had to do that. You should really learn how to use quotation marks (hint: they’re generally best used for quotes, not misquotes).

I was right about what Baldwin actually said, which I do not see you even trying to refute.

And I did not have to ‘look it up’ because I heard his own words as replayed many times on Sean Hannity’s show.

And you are again making up things I never said like when you makle the false claim that I supposedly said “that people who are on Ritalin cannot learn Torah ”

Which I never said.

But the fact is, that if a boy needs a certain kind of gentle teaching which is seriously lacking these days in many cases, and instead of getting it, he would be doped up on Ritalin to cover up the real problem which in some cases could be the teaching methods which are not geared toward this particular boy, the in that case the Ritalin would be worse then simply teaching him the way he would learn best.

Even allergy medicine says on it (according to the commercials on TV for it) there are all kinds of side effects.

Col V Chomer for something that doctors have called into Hannity’s show and said that it “affects the same areas in the brain that Cocaine does”.

And saying “you qualified that but it does not change the origional statement”
Shows you only have an interest in causing machloikis and not in solving any problems.

I’m just not sure your textual explanation of the television show you never saw makes much sense, about what he meant. And again, I’m kind of confused, Baldwin apologized, NBC won’t rerun the interveiw, how does this show liberals support killing Henry Hyde?

For the record, I have no idea who Frummy McFrum is. And yes, I stand by the statement that saying that people who are on Ritalin cannot learn Torah is an incredibly inane and insenstive thing to say. That you’ve qualified that now is nice, but does not change what you originally wrote.

Typical liberal way beyond the pale, inane claims.

And talk about inane opinions, you are no doctor and have absolutely no proof that it was the
Ritalin wearing off and not some other factor.

I have over the years, heard many parents and doctors and other experts call Sean Hannitys show and tell them of the devestation Ritalin is doing to boys in school and how it is ruining their chances of learning.

But even so I have never said it was bad in all cases.
My point that you so obviously missed was and still is that Ritalin is used to keep boys doped up instead of engaged in learning.
Not that it is never appropriate but that in the vast majority of cases it is not needed and still used anyway.

And given your constant inane attacks on me
I would say it easily could have been your teaching methods that were the problem.

Not surprisingly you have once again posted something here without making the slightest effort to see if it was true. Also not surprisingly, the actual facts show the opposite of your point.

Alec Baldwin made a comment on Conan O’Brien’s show about how in other countries people would kill Henry Hyde and his family. Not only did many liberals feel that that comment was beyond the pale (so much so that NBC would not rerun the interview), but Baldwin himself apologized for it later.

Please let me know why you would feel that this incident (in which to summarize, a liberal said something stupid. there was an uproar from everyone and the liberal apologized) somehow makes it impossible to be liberal and follow the Torah.

By the way, I’m not sure why you seem to feel the psychiatric profession is somehow connected to the liberal agenda, but I once had the experience of trying to teach a high school boy with ADD during a night seder whose daily dose of Ritalin wore off exactly halfway through the chaburah I gave. Suffice it to say, i can say from that experience that your opinion that Ritalin is an a drug that hinders Torah learning may be the most inane opinion ever posted on this website.

And conservative does not have to mean, Christian.

It does not have to be someone who is “mainstream” calling for conservatves to be murdered, if all of their followers are posting it on blogs with none of them saying how evil such ideas are.

But if you want someone davka mainstream, I can give you someone;

On one of those late night TV talk shows (I think it was either, the Jey Leno or David Letterman show)Big Well known Hollywood movie star, Alec Baldwin during the Clinton Impeachment hearings said that we should “all of us together, go to Ken Stars house and kill him and his wife and children”.

He yelled it out more then once to an enthusiastically applausing (clapping and shouting in support), audience.

As for taxing to make people feel beter, there is no end to that if you think it is an absolute right.
The government under that idea could demand that they regulate every aspect of yoru life every secind and that you follow everything they tell you “for yor own good”.

They had some of that in liberal countries, like Nazi Germany and in Stalinist Russia.

And as long I have had a full time job, my taxes have never dropped.

Now this health scam bill wll require me to come up with thousand of dollars per year that I simply do not have and there is absolutely no provision to say “the IRS won’t take it from you if you cannot afford it”.

More taxes for more services?
What services?
A bunch of anti Torah services like the Harvey Milk school?

You cannot be a fiscal liberal and a social conservative.
Social politics and the fiscal costs to support them, are intertwined.