Comments on: Neighbor complains against Belmar Yeshiva

By: beachbachur

beachbachur — Sun, 20 May 2007 05:14:05 +0000

hi everyone i am a bachur at this yeshiva and i been following it very closely to start with mrs. renner she has some serious problems as a person she sits on her front porch all day just waiting for something to happen the boys try to be nice to her but she either ignores us or calls the cops just bec. she dosent work or do anything(actually i ounce saw her paint the curb but that is as far as her working goes)she even called the cops ounce bec. she saw one of the boys do a rolling stop at a stop sighn.i agree it is a problem with cigarrete butts but the rosh hayishiva spoke to all the boys some time ago and its really getting better.as far as the cop that lives next door to the dorm he works like one day every 4 days and he just calls the cops rndomely the cops come down but they say they are sorry for the incovience but they have to respond to all calls (he’s called the cops and his reason was someone was tapping his foot too loudly)and the app said a quote that there are pizza boxes being left out well there was a problem 3 or 4 years ago that one time there was a pizza box left out on the street but its not like its a daily accurance,the lawns by the dorms are even more well maintained than half the houses in belmar.just for everyones info. there are older boys that sleep in the high school and are dorm counsler(they are at the dorm whenever there is a break that the boys are aloud to be there) so there is always adult supervision.regarding the beach and where we are located we leave when the beach opens and duringthe winter there is no better place for a yeshiva the place is a ghost town

By: a jew

a jew — Sun, 13 May 2007 03:01:06 +0000

In rechavya someone berated one of the gedolei hador in the street on a sunday evening (this was a frun man) saying the neiborhood wasnt big enough for the two of them. (he wasnt happy with the yeshiva there)
Hashem yeracheim this healthy mans leviyah was Tuesday!!!!!

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By: yerushami yid

yerushami yid — Sat, 12 May 2007 19:19:07 +0000

I happen to be very involved with the Yeshiva. If you would know how much time the Rosh Yeshiva spends a year fighting arguing with apponents of the Yeshiva you would be shocked. As soon as he finishes wasting time in government offices and court, They manage to come up with a another false claim. I guess the Yetzer Harah knows how inportant it is to have Torah in Belmar

By: Homeboy

Homeboy — Fri, 11 May 2007 22:36:28 +0000

I think another aspect of this argument over the Yeshivas right to exist where it is, is the real estate values in that immediate area. The Yeshiva is located a few blocks from the beach and new homes around the corner (on 12th Ave) sold for over a million dollars this year. No doubt this women is concerned with the real eatate values on her block being effected by the Yeshiva. In another light and as someone who is quite familiar with that neighborhood, I do question why any Yeshiva would want to exist overthere. It is an out and out beach town and they are in the midst of building a huge marina. (not a bad place to invest in though)

By: Joseph

Joseph — Fri, 11 May 2007 21:57:04 +0000

Levin – What did the bochorim do wrong? Why do you accuse them?

By: mark levin

mark levin — Fri, 11 May 2007 18:27:38 +0000

I think we all need to see one thing from this and this, if you are not a yeshiva person currently, should be drilled into your kids no matter what age they are, which is there are people out there – be it right or wrong – who are looking for something, anything, of which to complain about you. This is a chillul HaShem and we need to be on guard for it. Chillul HaShem is not only to ayno yehudi but its also to a yehudi as well.

I am sure she is partially wrong on this however the bocherim should be extra careful not to provoke anyone.

There is a meshugina at every corner.

By: bugnot

bugnot — Fri, 11 May 2007 17:44:41 +0000

To all those who dont know about Belmar:
The yeshiva was there before most of the neighbors, so when the neighbors moved in they knew there was a yeshiva there so dont say ” how would you like to have a yeshiva on your block”, bec they knew the yeshiva was there when they moved in. Renner complained about the yeshiva being dirty – i am sorry to say but the yeshiva is pretty clean.

By: Sarah

Sarah — Fri, 11 May 2007 17:34:37 +0000

“I (and probably others here) do not know the true facts and dynamics here, so this is all conjecture”

True, but reading the article with care and taking note of the relevant quotes gives you a better starting place than unsubstantiated conjecture.

“‘We’ve been through this over and over again with Mrs. Renner,” Pringle said. “The police respond to reports of violations and they are rarely substantiated.”

Police evidence is surely of significant relevance, before we start shootin’ the breeze about the possible impact a Yeshiva does or doesn’t have on its immediate environs.

If you’re making a general statement, we all have a right to philosophize, and I wouldn’t take that fun away from anyone. But it might not be so appropriate to dispense free suggestions to what is a so far unsubstantiated claim.

By: HaKatan

HaKatan — Fri, 11 May 2007 16:57:34 +0000

I think basmelech put it well.

I don’t think the neighbors could come up with these allegations if they merely hated Jews. IF the dorm is not supervised AND the kids are staying up late partying and making noise, they have a right to complain if it interferes with their quality of life.

In my humble opinion, it is better to limit the amount of students in the dorm to a manageable number, rather than making a chilul hashem with the neighbors. Also, there has to be a park, or something nearby, where they can play without disturbing traffic, etc.

Of course, I (and probably others here) do not know the true facts and dynamics here, so this is all conjecture regarding this particular Yeshiva.

By: basmelech

basmelech — Fri, 11 May 2007 16:39:27 +0000

Yeshiva students need space. It is preferable that a Yeshiva have a large enough campus so that it does not encroach upon its neighbors. The boys should have a mashgiach to make sure that at night, they go to bed at a reasonable hour and don’t disturb the neighbors, and they really need a place for sports, not in the street. They have to be careful not to make a chilul Hashem, that is why they need a better place to house their Yeshiva, where they’ll have more space away from neighbors who like to complain, then there’ll be less chilul Hashem.