Comments on: Lakewood: Gridlock alert issued for police funeral

By: mdlevine

mdlevine — Sun, 20 May 2007 18:30:00 +0000

so…

did anybody from the frum community show up?

By: Aishes Chayil

Aishes Chayil — Sun, 20 May 2007 18:12:50 +0000

Ask one more thing please. What would be considered more relevant to
‘Bitul Torah’, attending the funeral of a public servant in order to show some hakoras hatov to the Lakewood police force, or to post comments on
YW ? Just curious!

By: susshow

susshow — Sun, 20 May 2007 05:23:21 +0000

Some people don’t like to think for themselves so they go and ask every little thing to a rav. I know of a person who is a nudnick and bothers the rov on every little thing. That is not right.
Sometimes a person has the right to say, as the Gimorah does, “Sivoroh hu, lomoh Li Krah?”

By: shazam

shazam — Fri, 18 May 2007 21:22:05 +0000

As in all aspects of life, everything has to be balanced. There are many questions which a person can answer himself; there are those for which a she’eilah is required. The threshhold for when to ask a she’eilah for any given circumstance, depends on a person’s level of Torah knowledge.

In this case, there are some people who have the Torah knowledge to decide for themselves whether or not to go to this funeral, and there are those who don’t and need to ask the question.

The matter is subjective, but a person has to be honest with himself.

By: Who knows

Who knows — Fri, 18 May 2007 19:13:19 +0000

I am not critical of daas torah. And if Rav Malkiel will tell me where to buy my groceries – and tells me why – I would definitely listen, even if I don’t agree with his reasoning.

However, I do believe that I am smart enough to decide on my own where to buy groceries. I will not ask Rav Malkiel or my rov where to. But if they tell me (either directly, or by way of a kol koreh), I will listen.

My point is, not every time that someone has a question should he run to his rov.

I think most people are able to weight the pros and cons of attending a funeral. They can factor in all the circumstances that pertain to the frum community, and to them in particular, and make a decision based on those factors. If someone can not make this decision, then by all means he should ask his rov.

By: mikedrezz

mikedrezz — Fri, 18 May 2007 17:49:42 +0000

Potatoe knish,.Did shulchan aruch tell us which grocery to shop at, where to go on vacation, what color suit to wear, what meat to put in the cholent? What does shulchan aruch have to do with a person making his own decision as to whether or not to go to the funeral.Besides , did you ask rav malkiel if you should be on the internet, potatoe knish?

By: potato knish

potato knish — Fri, 18 May 2007 17:07:05 +0000

To “Who knows” and all other critics of dass torah:

i Have one question for you. you write that minor things dont need Dass torah THEN WHY DOES THE SHULCAN AROUCH BOTHER TO TELL US WHICH SHOE TO TIE FIRST?????????????????? ITs pretty insignifacant if you ask me?????????????????????

By: potato knish

potato knish — Fri, 18 May 2007 17:04:00 +0000

to chocoholic

firstly let me tell you i dont live in lakewood secondly i never claimed anywhere in my post that i am perfect i try my best to listen to gedolim and am DEFINTLEY MACSHIV WHAT THEY SAY!!!!!!!!! i unfourtantley have to have the internet for work and have spoken to my rav about it.

By: emesvyatziv

emesvyatziv — Fri, 18 May 2007 16:50:16 +0000

Antime someone says something about listening to the Gedolim, inevitably someone qustions them why they are on the internet? FYI internet is acceptable, yes even in Lakewood, with proper precautions in place.

By: mdlevine

mdlevine — Fri, 18 May 2007 16:23:55 +0000

26
Potato
Z
sabra
and of course UTO

you all said what I would have written (if I got here before you)

to all those critics of UTO,
HaRav Malkiel knows whether or not it would cause a K”H or a CH”H – you don’t have to worry about his understanding of the rmaifications of his decisions. I would tell you to go ask your one of the Gedolim or even your Rav which position is correct, but, you probably all feel that you know better than the Gedolim and/or your Rav – so why bother…