Comments on: New Haven Connecticut: Armed Shomrim?

By: drummerboy

drummerboy — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:27:43 +0000

zugger…again with this? wat about all the kollelim and yeshivos that have opened and disbanded in brooklyn….is every mugging that goes on in the world due to that? who do u think u are to say that this is a result of something..are u a navi? do u know Hashem’s plan? because if u are one…then please, by all means, bring mashiach…but remember..the punishment for navi sheker is death…so watch wat u say please and stop spewing this garbage..

By: zugger

zugger — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:16:33 +0000

this must be the result of shmira leaving a town due to the disbandment of a kollel

By: drummerboy

drummerboy — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:42:21 +0000

zugger…are you kidding me? ever heard of putting in your hishtadlus? u cant just sit idly by and watch the world collapse in front of you, you have to put in an effort, and if its your hashgacha pratis…then Hashem will help your effort, and if not, then not…but just saying that u can sit by and watch…thats just rediculous

By: zugger

zugger — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:14:03 +0000

hope he realises that hashem is sending them a message they are missing the message by thinking that guns will protect them if hashem wants to get them he will

By: mdlevine

mdlevine — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:39:05 +0000

drummerboy – what I worry about is the riots of these animals and the lives of the Yidden if someone uses his gun (even correctly).

By: drummerboy

drummerboy — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:15:47 +0000

i happen to be personally involved in this, and what happened to Rabbi Greer was extremely scary and traumatic, so the fact that they are finally taking a stand against their-and im sorry if this is a bit harsh-extremely scary neighbors, and trying to protect themselves is a very good thing in my opinion. the mayor would be wise to let them do whatever it is that they want in protecting themselves, unless he is willing to spend tax dollars on creating some sort of nightly police patrol himself. and mdlevine…they are trained..dont u worry

By: Hashem Yishmor

Hashem Yishmor — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:14:52 +0000

B’h those of us posting do not need to worry about the same issues these New Haveners face. This is not the first incidence of Jews being attacked-even on the very same block, and even a 14 year old!Hashem should just give them siyata dishmaya and hatzlacha and hopefully they will never need to use their guns. Also, they know what theyre doing, so even though they may not have the same training as policemen, theyre not just some random guys with guns.Yes, all those scenarios are possibilities, but they need to do SOMETHING, and this is what theyve come to.Maybe we should just daven for them instead of thinking up the ways it could go wrong.

By: mdlevine

mdlevine — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:40:45 +0000

MiMedinat HaYam – go back and re-read my post. just because I do not show your bravado does not mean that I do not advocate self-defense. I clearly said that I hope that they are WELL TRAINED. Police with years of training in the classroom and on the job make mistakes and shoot those that maybe they should not have.

if the gun is used and a bystander is killed, what then?

if the gun is used and an unarmed mugger is killed, do you really think that the police are going to offer a reward to the shooter? Bernie Goetz went to jail and those that preyed on him had sharpened screwdrivers.

What if the mugger surprises them and gets the gun away from them and uses it on them? Chas V’Shalom.

what if the gun is pulled and a cop sees him with the gun out but does not see the real criminal. to the cop, the one with the gun is the pursuer.

There are many other scenerios where the Yid could end up in jail (yes, I know, what if they did everything perfectly and saved someones life is one of them)

once again – without all your macho, tough guy talk, proper training is essential AND that is my concern!

By: ezrasnashim

ezrasnashim — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:55:00 +0000

The local mayor and police chief are negligent in performing their duties and should be ousted!! That peaceful, law-abiding citizens should have to defend themselves with arms!!!! A total shanda!

By: MiMedinat HaYam

MiMedinat HaYam — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:52:46 +0000

perhaps we should allow potential victimes to carryt “mug money” on shabat (outside the eruv).

this issue was brought up in crown heights many years ago, and rav meir kahane hy”d said why carry mug money? if you allow carrying on shabat, allow a 22!!!

rav grier’s sister was the fifth of the yale 5 (later 4 when she legally married to get out of the case.)

his father is also an important personality, the first to insist on wearing a yarmulkah at all times in princeton. he is currently shtut rav in new haven.

you dont need no govt permission to operate a shomrim type org, but it is advisable to have as close contacts as possible to the local police, yet maintain a distance so as to be as independent as reasonable. thought yw commenters such as bneibrak and mdlevine would probably prefer they roll over and kow tow to the local (inefective) police.