Comments on: PETA Documents Cruelty To Chickens At Kaparos

By: esg78

esg78 — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:53:07 +0000

My daughter once brought home a chicken from Bais Yaakov – No one else’s parent would allow it. It was actually kind of funny to have a chicken in the backyard. You should of seen the local cats give it a wide berth! I don’t think they had any idea what it was.

(you know, chickens really do a “chicken walk”)

Anyway, my daughter took care of it for a couple of months, and we were a main attraction for the local kids. Then one day it just died.

By: MiMedinat HaYam

MiMedinat HaYam — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:43:02 +0000

the problem is we do not live with chickens all the time.

in the alte heim, people shared the street with the chickens, etc. well, they even shared their homes. (except those litvaks who lived in the big city, such as vilna).

we should start raising chickens in our homes (ok, back yards) and our children will learn how to properly take care of them.

once in a while, we can call a shoichet over (woops!! they all live in crown heights or mifflintown; sometimes in postville) and have dinner, like it the alte zeiten!

this way, our children acan learn about kisui dam b’offer, and how to kasher a chicken (masechet chulin) and how to kasher liver (yeshivot dont teach that today — find out!!!)

By: eliezer

eliezer — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:38:14 +0000

I’ve been going to live Kapparos for a number of years with my kids in Boro Park. The smell is bad, but not any worse than many Amish farms I’ve visited.
I deplore anyone who badly handles any animal, and the story last year of leftover chickens left out to die and rot was horrible, and a Chillul Hashem.
However, I fear we are losing sight of the fact that Shechita itself is also very much a Ruchniusdika act, not only a physical or Gashmiusdika act. The chicken itself is elevated to a higher level of Ruchnius for having died being properly G’Shuchtin and ending up at a Shabbos table or feeding Aniyim, as opposed to just being killed and ending up as a Burger King sandwich.
This fact is something that PETA can never grasp.

By: mark levin

mark levin — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:33:09 +0000

Join PETA(People for Eating Tasty Animals)!!

By: Proud KAJ-WH TIDE Guy

Proud KAJ-WH TIDE Guy — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:52:26 +0000

Don’t feed PETA with fuel for their fire! We MUST do everything with yashrus. How can a frum-Torah- Jew,just before Yom Ha DIN,torture or abuse an animal,then eat it and after that cry out to Hashem for rachamim and mercy for himself and the rest of us? Let’s learn to feel for others,whether Jew,Human,or any other living creature ( except terrorists).

By: chassi

chassi — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:40:48 +0000

I wonder why they picked Crown Heights. I wonder what goes on in other communities. While I agree with 21, I think it could be handled better.

By: anov21

anov21 — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:29:11 +0000

It is true that what goes on by Kapores in some places is terrible and WE should make sure that it stops. But if we don’t stop Frieden and his crew from getting involved, like they did by Metzitza B’peh, they will slowly but surely find a way to stop us from doing Kapores.

By: AvidReader

AvidReader — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:50:21 +0000

#18, 19 – If you read past the first few words of my comment you might see, that my point was about #5 taking sides in a machlokes rishonim. I personally have no desire to comment on the actual article, because I do not think it is a productive use of my time. But a macho about comment #5 I felt was important, so that people see that it is not proper, and no one else was commenting about it. I agree with your correction 100%, that there are issues here. My intention was that the issue is PETA and the accusations they made, and not the validity of the minhag of Kaparos.

By: esg78

esg78 — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:08:37 +0000

I don’t like PETA.
I don’t like tzar ba’ali chaim either.
If they happen to be right (and it sounds from some of the comments that this isn’t exaggerated) then something must be done about it. The shanda is that it took PETA to get a reaction.

Why couldn’t we police ourselves?

By: AvidReader

AvidReader — Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:28:20 +0000

To 18 and 19, I am Maskim 100%. I did not mean PETA as opposed to the problems that they are raising. I meant PETA and their claims as opposed to putting the minhag of Kaporos on the discussion table. I have desire too comment on the actual issue.