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		<title>By: Y_dont_U_research_b4_speaking</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To arita430
1) Ma inyan shmitah etzel har sinai - that&#039;s right out left field -- try again?
1b) so after they finished spending the money and building the school and all the planning and all the hard work they should just abandon the school and their children&#039;s future and the fact that they won&#039;t have a school for their daughters this year all because of a few nutcases that are complaining -- by the way you sound like you agree with them...
2)Reading comprehension FAIL: all i&#039;m saying is that the charedi community flexes its protest muscles when it wants to.  what about that poor Munchhausen by proxy  women who was treated at Hadassah -- remember the violent protests for that?  Who&#039;s standing up for these poor girls that have to pass a gauntlet of batlanim moaning at them every morning (watch the youtube videos -its disturbing!)
3) any movement that claims that is &quot;trying to bring unity to Am Yisrael&quot; is by definition vague! where is the movement to stop the violence by the marginal charedi groups in beit shemesh and meah shearim?
In response to your 8:01 argument -- its the pot calling the kettle black-- look at what you said in that same arrangement where you have grouped the parent body of the Orot school together with a random group of people that danced at a flash mob -- if that&#039;s not poor reasoning compounded by being very judgmental I don&#039;t know what is.

It must be hard to drink the kool-aid with your head buried so deep in the sand -  come up for air  and perhaps you&#039;ll see how crazy it really is out here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To arita430<br />
1) Ma inyan shmitah etzel har sinai &#8211; that&#8217;s right out left field &#8212; try again?<br />
1b) so after they finished spending the money and building the school and all the planning and all the hard work they should just abandon the school and their children&#8217;s future and the fact that they won&#8217;t have a school for their daughters this year all because of a few nutcases that are complaining &#8212; by the way you sound like you agree with them&#8230;<br />
2)Reading comprehension FAIL: all i&#8217;m saying is that the charedi community flexes its protest muscles when it wants to.  what about that poor Munchhausen by proxy  women who was treated at Hadassah &#8212; remember the violent protests for that?  Who&#8217;s standing up for these poor girls that have to pass a gauntlet of batlanim moaning at them every morning (watch the youtube videos -its disturbing!)<br />
3) any movement that claims that is &#8220;trying to bring unity to Am Yisrael&#8221; is by definition vague! where is the movement to stop the violence by the marginal charedi groups in beit shemesh and meah shearim?<br />
In response to your 8:01 argument &#8212; its the pot calling the kettle black&#8211; look at what you said in that same arrangement where you have grouped the parent body of the Orot school together with a random group of people that danced at a flash mob &#8212; if that&#8217;s not poor reasoning compounded by being very judgmental I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
<p>It must be hard to drink the kool-aid with your head buried so deep in the sand &#8211;  come up for air  and perhaps you&#8217;ll see how crazy it really is out here.</p>
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		<title>By: arita430</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 01:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#21, you are extremely judgemental of chareidim. You make it seem like they are horrible. There are problems in all sects of Judaism.. stop YOUR HATE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21, you are extremely judgemental of chareidim. You make it seem like they are horrible. There are problems in all sects of Judaism.. stop YOUR HATE!</p>
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		<title>By: arita430</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. no I mean keeping basic HALACHA. 
1b. Right.The orot school did know what they were going into being that the protests preceded the opening of the school 1c. The &quot;chareidim&quot; should have checked out the area before buying there.

2. You don&#039;t need that many people to put up posters!

3. The movement is NOT vague . It is trying to bring unity to Am Yisrael.

What is the parent body /Dati Leumi doing for unity in klal yisrael? ZERO.

They start trouble with the bus issues and only care about their rights, not the rights of the chareidi women who like the mehadrin bus lines.  They do flashmobs in the middle of tachana mercazit and dance in front of men which is against halacha. etc etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. no I mean keeping basic HALACHA.<br />
1b. Right.The orot school did know what they were going into being that the protests preceded the opening of the school 1c. The &#8220;chareidim&#8221; should have checked out the area before buying there.</p>
<p>2. You don&#8217;t need that many people to put up posters!</p>
<p>3. The movement is NOT vague . It is trying to bring unity to Am Yisrael.</p>
<p>What is the parent body /Dati Leumi doing for unity in klal yisrael? ZERO.</p>
<p>They start trouble with the bus issues and only care about their rights, not the rights of the chareidi women who like the mehadrin bus lines.  They do flashmobs in the middle of tachana mercazit and dance in front of men which is against halacha. etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Y_dont_U_research_b4_speaking</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to arita430
1) YOU SAID: &quot;That still does not mean that the Dati Leumi school can’t have sensitivities towards the people that live there.&quot; you mean incorporating their chumras on top of chumras of tznius - so all eight year old girls should be wearing bullet proof stockings?
1b) YOU SAID  &quot;This business of saying ” it’s not my problem, we were here first ” is so childish and so not productive&quot; HEY you said it first: &quot;in my opinion the Orot school knew full well what they were getting into by putting the girls school there. &quot;

2) YOU SAID &quot;There is no chareidi silence. We just aren’t talking to the media. &quot; the men are conveniently sitting and learning when it benefits they current needs yet somehow the chareidi community can muster hundreds or thousands and plaster the town in white and black when they are upset at some small offshoot of the electric company.

3)YOU SAID &quot;Who cares about the pashkivilim?The fact is that there is a movement to correct things.&quot; see #2 AND the &quot;movement&quot; is intentionally vague because no one wants to overtly stand up to these hooligans the way they overtly stand up to say the gay pride parade . But hey you can be the first - come and say that what the group of yutzes in beit shemesh, and those violent nuts in batei varsaw and the jerks who attacked Manny&#039;s day in and day our are wrong... or maybe you are content to &#039;work&#039; on your bein adam lechavero

4)you are right on this end: but I&#039;ve never seen a greater lack of  bein adom lechavero than in geulah/meah shearim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to arita430<br />
1) YOU SAID: &#8220;That still does not mean that the Dati Leumi school can’t have sensitivities towards the people that live there.&#8221; you mean incorporating their chumras on top of chumras of tznius &#8211; so all eight year old girls should be wearing bullet proof stockings?<br />
1b) YOU SAID  &#8220;This business of saying ” it’s not my problem, we were here first ” is so childish and so not productive&#8221; HEY you said it first: &#8220;in my opinion the Orot school knew full well what they were getting into by putting the girls school there. &#8221;</p>
<p>2) YOU SAID &#8220;There is no chareidi silence. We just aren’t talking to the media. &#8221; the men are conveniently sitting and learning when it benefits they current needs yet somehow the chareidi community can muster hundreds or thousands and plaster the town in white and black when they are upset at some small offshoot of the electric company.</p>
<p>3)YOU SAID &#8220;Who cares about the pashkivilim?The fact is that there is a movement to correct things.&#8221; see #2 AND the &#8220;movement&#8221; is intentionally vague because no one wants to overtly stand up to these hooligans the way they overtly stand up to say the gay pride parade . But hey you can be the first &#8211; come and say that what the group of yutzes in beit shemesh, and those violent nuts in batei varsaw and the jerks who attacked Manny&#8217;s day in and day our are wrong&#8230; or maybe you are content to &#8216;work&#8217; on your bein adam lechavero</p>
<p>4)you are right on this end: but I&#8217;ve never seen a greater lack of  bein adom lechavero than in geulah/meah shearim</p>
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		<title>By: arita430</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. I hear your point . However, the school wasn&#039;t opened before they moved there. They only opened it this year.
That still does not mean that the Dati Leumi school can&#039;t have sensitivities towards the people that live there. Where is THEIR Ahavas yisrael? Kol Yisrael Areivim Ze la zeh! This business of saying &quot; it&#039;s not my problem, we were here first &quot; is so childish and so not productive. Don&#039;t these people want the Bais Hamikdash rebuilt? 

2. There is no chareidi silence. We just aren&#039;t talking to the media. The men are sitting and learning TORAH.. 
3. Who cares about the pashkivilim?The fact is that there is a movement to correct things.

4. It is NEVER to late to work on Bein Adam L&#039;Chavero. But let me tell you that it&#039;s not just the Chareidi community that has issues. Unfortunately all sects have their Bein Adam L&#039;Chavero issues and the dati leumi community is not immune. There is a chazal that says that you can start every day anew and do Teshuvah!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I hear your point . However, the school wasn&#8217;t opened before they moved there. They only opened it this year.<br />
That still does not mean that the Dati Leumi school can&#8217;t have sensitivities towards the people that live there. Where is THEIR Ahavas yisrael? Kol Yisrael Areivim Ze la zeh! This business of saying &#8221; it&#8217;s not my problem, we were here first &#8221; is so childish and so not productive. Don&#8217;t these people want the Bais Hamikdash rebuilt? </p>
<p>2. There is no chareidi silence. We just aren&#8217;t talking to the media. The men are sitting and learning TORAH..<br />
3. Who cares about the pashkivilim?The fact is that there is a movement to correct things.</p>
<p>4. It is NEVER to late to work on Bein Adam L&#8217;Chavero. But let me tell you that it&#8217;s not just the Chareidi community that has issues. Unfortunately all sects have their Bein Adam L&#8217;Chavero issues and the dati leumi community is not immune. There is a chazal that says that you can start every day anew and do Teshuvah!</p>
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		<title>By: Y_dont_U_research_b4_speaking</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no, excuse me, arita430

its people like you that justify my screen name.
1) the planning of the school predates the neighborhood, so that argument should be turned on its head: who told them to build their neighborhood across from a girl&#039;s school

2)I&#039;ve never heard a more moronic justification of the general chareidi silence.  Contrast the dinky little sign in your anonymous apartment building with the thousands of  pashkvilim that get plastered around the city every time some group disagrees with the way we now part our hair or some other meshugas.  Or the thousands who show up to protest everytime there is a slight chashas that they are digging up someone&#039;s grave...

but your signs are right -- there is a huge problem with bein adom l&#039;chavero in the charedi community-- but i think the efforts are far too little and much too late.


No the Charedi lack of response, compared to their general response to everything else that minimally irks them is DEAFENING!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, excuse me, arita430</p>
<p>its people like you that justify my screen name.<br />
1) the planning of the school predates the neighborhood, so that argument should be turned on its head: who told them to build their neighborhood across from a girl&#8217;s school</p>
<p>2)I&#8217;ve never heard a more moronic justification of the general chareidi silence.  Contrast the dinky little sign in your anonymous apartment building with the thousands of  pashkvilim that get plastered around the city every time some group disagrees with the way we now part our hair or some other meshugas.  Or the thousands who show up to protest everytime there is a slight chashas that they are digging up someone&#8217;s grave&#8230;</p>
<p>but your signs are right &#8212; there is a huge problem with bein adom l&#8217;chavero in the charedi community&#8211; but i think the efforts are far too little and much too late.</p>
<p>No the Charedi lack of response, compared to their general response to everything else that minimally irks them is DEAFENING!</p>
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		<title>By: joeschoe</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drocheyo darchei noam. Spitting, pushing, destroying others property (like sheitels, bleach on clothing). Shouting, throwing rocks or eggs.
Avrohom was blessed that the goyim should want their children to be like him. Who would want their children to be a chareidi!
Even those who are religious orthodox do not want to be associated with this term &#039;chareidi&#039;. It is a badge of shame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drocheyo darchei noam. Spitting, pushing, destroying others property (like sheitels, bleach on clothing). Shouting, throwing rocks or eggs.<br />
Avrohom was blessed that the goyim should want their children to be like him. Who would want their children to be a chareidi!<br />
Even those who are religious orthodox do not want to be associated with this term &#8216;chareidi&#8217;. It is a badge of shame.</p>
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		<title>By: mayerfreund</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can some one please let us know witch rabbi has approved this action. Maybe the organizers are christian, catholic or Muslims? I can&#039;t believe that the people behind this are Jewish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can some one please let us know witch rabbi has approved this action. Maybe the organizers are christian, catholic or Muslims? I can&#8217;t believe that the people behind this are Jewish.</p>
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		<title>By: NotFrum</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m secular but think:
- Israeli hilonim are anti-Semitic
- Israeli hilonim love to persecute the haredim
- the arrest of the Slonim and of Lior were outrages
- the secular, leftist Israeli judiciary engages in political prosecution of those who are religious or on the right
- the separation issues should have been resolved with quiet compromise out of the international eye
- to satisfy his ego, the criminally foolish Peres damaged the nation severely with Oslo and now is damaging the nation again by ginning up hatred of the religious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m secular but think:<br />
- Israeli hilonim are anti-Semitic<br />
- Israeli hilonim love to persecute the haredim<br />
- the arrest of the Slonim and of Lior were outrages<br />
- the secular, leftist Israeli judiciary engages in political prosecution of those who are religious or on the right<br />
- the separation issues should have been resolved with quiet compromise out of the international eye<br />
- to satisfy his ego, the criminally foolish Peres damaged the nation severely with Oslo and now is damaging the nation again by ginning up hatred of the religious.</p>
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		<title>By: ZosHaTorah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZosHaTorah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The story here is not the actions of these Chareidim. These are local issues that should be worked out locally.

The story is the fact that the national media (funny how the Associated Press seems to be leading the charge, as there may not be amore anti-simetic rag) is making such a big thing of it, and for what reason?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story here is not the actions of these Chareidim. These are local issues that should be worked out locally.</p>
<p>The story is the fact that the national media (funny how the Associated Press seems to be leading the charge, as there may not be amore anti-simetic rag) is making such a big thing of it, and for what reason?</p>
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