Comments on: Chareidi Male Arrested for Spitting At Female Soldier On Jerusalem Bus

By: sweettalker

sweettalker — Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:57:01 +0000

This people have major issues! They should be receiving help! This is exactly why we are in gulus! I mean spitting on someone! The nerve the chutzpah to do that is extreme! who do these people think they are! Some Jewish people wearing shorts or not covering there hair etc! Are better then them. Such a chilull hashem

By: Dovid_from_Modiin

Dovid_from_Modiin — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:47:31 +0000

Everyone is very frustrated at the growing tensions with the Zealots. It started more than 30 years when they threw the first stone at a car and screamed shabbos. Over the past year we a few riots over a parking garage, moving pagan bones TO build a fortified hospital wing, screaming at little girls and spitting on them and the list can go on.

All we hear is not to blame the charadim it is only a few zealots. That may be true however to the average eye if quack and looks like a duck it is a duck. It is the moral duty of every single Charadi rav, Charadi community leader and Charadi MK to actively denounce the tactics and goal of the zealots. It also their duty to counter protest with a high ratio of 10 to 1. Those Charadi leaders who choose to do nothing a basically supporting the zealots and causing a chillul hashem.

The chillul hashem is not the reporting, it is the action (and in action) that world and Secular Jews see that saids look at these holy Jews, how can they spit, how can they call a little girl a prostitute, how can they cut in front of the line, how can they force woman in back of the bus, how can they…

By: YITZCHOKY

YITZCHOKY — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:04:05 +0000

It is wrong wrong to spit
It is wrong to provoke like sitting down purposely
If this is true who sent her to do this.If there is a flaming fire you don’t through gasoline. Two wrongs do not make a right.If she sat there she was wrong and if he spat on her he was twice as wrong.
If the public knows what happens on the army bases at night
among the girls in the army there would be an up cry to
get the girls out of the army.
I believe gadolim have spoken such as the Belzer Rebbe.
I believe the press is looking for rag sheet news by throwing more and more gasoline on the fire.
The press should be shut off for any more comments on this.
The government does it all the time

By: Ido

Ido — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:20:37 +0000

Wow, it took EIGHTEEN comments (yashar koach tzvideer!) till someone mentioned that just MAYBE this whole story shouldn’t just be taken at face value… well the TORAH has something to say about that too, and it’s called ACCEPTING LASHON HORA (not to mention adding more r’l!) and it’s KNEGED ALL THE OTHER AVEIROT there are Common people, shmirat halashon is what will bring Mashiah!!

By: concernedbh

concernedbh — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:08:44 +0000

#24 using other people’s faults to make excuses for one’s own failings is not an effective or convincing strategy. Quite the contrary, it is an admission of guilt, follwed by an attempt at justification. There is simply NO JUSTIFICATION for the use of violence against these women. It is a disgusting Chilul Hashem. Why don’t you write that. Then you can discuss the moral failings of other groups.

By: charvona

charvona — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:57:29 +0000

Best answer – fraft him into the army where he belongs.
#4 she is Jewish on the outside and the inside.

By: concernedbh

concernedbh — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:45:19 +0000

#18Tzvideer, are only haredim entitled to be judged Lkaf Zechus? But the femaile solider you say, we have to assume is living a “possibly promiscuous lifestyle”??? I do not think it needs to be said that baavonoseinu harabim that someone who dresses as a ben Torah is not necessarily such. So by all means be dan BOTH lekaf zechus. Maybe it was alll a misunderstanding . . .

By: takingabreak

takingabreak — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:38:13 +0000

amazing how you are always ready to accept and spew venom at frum based on any claims. how often have things been misrepresented. for instance how many irreligious papers constantly call the frum “parasites. and how many frum publications are dedicated to name calling the irreligious.?

By: concernedbh

concernedbh — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:33:39 +0000

#22 Simon a media bias against Haredim is not an excuse for appalling behavior which is a chilul Hashem. That there are 2 sides to this story is not a surprise, but at the end of the day ALL of the incidents are not false. If the the sense of embarrasment and outrage that most of us feel when an Extremist masquerading as frum assaults another person would be conveyed to the media, at least they would be undercut in their reporting. But I don’t think we are conveying that (or maybe BH now we are starting to -see Rabbi Horowitz’s letter campaign). Instead we have so far been conveying aplogetics, excuses or at best apathy.

By: simon

simon — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:50:56 +0000

I don’t know where YWN’s “Israeli desk” is getting its info from, but it appears to be from the secular Israeli press, which, as mentioned above, is “somewhat” biased AGAINST charedim.
The Chadrei website is reporting a wave of attacks ON charedim by secular Israelis, such as:
* A woman spitting on an Avrech in Bnei Brak, slapping his face, & calling him names.
* A newspaper reporter attacking a 4-year-old charedi girl, by screaming at [& frightening] her, & spitting in her direction.
* A resident of Ashdod threatening to take a gun & shoot at 10 charedim. This was filmed [you can see a video on their website].

The story on the 49 [yes forty-nine] bus, charedi version:
The female soldier sat herself amongst ten charedi men & was politely asked to move. No one spat on her or called her names. Unlike other “events”, the police came VERY quickly.