Comments on: Israel: What Really Occurred This Morning On The 49 Bus?

By: Yerushalmit

Yerushalmit — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:56:45 +0000

As someone who takes this bus usually twice a day – I would believe the AVREICH!!! (this is a bus that goes to Neve Yaakov in Yerushalaim – NOT IN BEIT SHEMESH – where I could maybe believe it!!!)

My daughter was on a 49 bus yesterday, and she told me a Chilonit got on “very immodest” and went to sit up front (seemingly provocartive) and NO ONE said a word to her

By the way, it is acceptable to ask someone to move over (nicely, of course) – even if 2 friends want to sit together

For everyone’s information, Egged wanted this Mehadrin buses for strictly economic reasons – a Charedi company wanted to start a Mehadrin bus kine and the Ministry of Transportation wouldn’t allow it! In addition,I know for a fact that the Mehadrin bus from Rechasim (Kfar Chasidim near Haifa) to Yerushalaim (#999) was originally private – and Egged wanted it (I used it!)

It is hard for me to understand how people from overseas have ANY OPINION about what goes on here!! U R welcomed to come on the 49 Aleph bus and see for youselves how tjis bus works (families and couples sitting together, etc)

By: Avi K

Avi K — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:31:54 +0000

#11, everybody knows taht gedolim are very often deliberately misquoted. When Rav Moshe was told that someone misquoted the Chatam Sofer he said “I’m still alive and I’m misquoted”. Rav Scheinberg said that if he had a nickel for every time he was misquoted he would be a rich man. Rav Fischer walked around Yerushalayim crossing his name off posters. Once an avereich who was writing a haalcha book for the general public asked Rav Eliashiv a shaila. When Rav Elishiv answered “muttar’ the avereich nudnicked him until he said “if you want it to be assur, don’t do it”. The avereich wrote that Rav Eliashiv told him that it is worthwhile to be machmir.

#15, you are motzi shem ra on every Israeli. In order to get kappara you have to come here and get mechila from each and every one of us.

#21, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zatzal would get off one stop after his if a woman sat next to him for the same reason.

By: NotFrum

NotFrum — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:32:08 +0000

“Sitting in the back has always been associated with lower status.”

So just have the mehadrin buses have women at the front and men at the back.

Funny how all the hilonim to whom I’ve suggested this have rejected it. It doesn’t satsify their need to persecute haredim.

By: galicianer

galicianer — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:06:49 +0000

One of these days all you keyboard judges will be put into a similar position, and you won’t be believed either. . . . .

By: byepluto

byepluto — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:57:11 +0000

The comments calling her a provocateur, with the intent of excusing the conduct of the aggressor, disgust me. How is it “provocative” to sit in the bus?
It reminds me of those, typically those on the right-wing, who blame female victims of assault by saying “she shouldn’t have been wearing that dress”. She shouldn’t have provoked? How about he shouldn’t have been an aggressor?

By: MDG

MDG — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:43:12 +0000

Even if the man asked her very politely to sit in the back, that is is still rude to her. Imagine getting on a bus in the States and telling a black man, “Excuse me, but Negros are supposed to sit in the back.” Sitting in the back has always been associated with lower status.

By: PinhasErez

PinhasErez — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:31:37 +0000

I doubt. If anyone has ever been on a bus in the situations, they would also doubt the media take.
If she did indeed sit down ammoungst sat two or three guys that were sitting in those seats at the font where two face two, then she wa being very bold, and yes, instead of all the guys moving, they would ask her to please sit elsewhere. Nothing about wanting her seat.
It is horrible how people believe the media. From beggining to end, it is evil, because it is lies. I have over and over and over again, been on buses where things like this happen. And yes, if a girl sits ammongst 3 guys, and refuses the suggestion to take a different seat, things will quickly get to yelling and calling names. When you are an angel and get your wings, come and preach. I dont doubt she was called a zonah, and dont doubt she likely earned her name calling with flying colors.

By: Lomdish

Lomdish — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:07:45 +0000

And how would people believe the israeli media known for its stance and unlimited haterd towards charedim, they are out right lying, fabricating facts, and ignoring stories that can put down the charedim in a positive light, or put the chilonim in shade..

By: Lomdish

Lomdish — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:05:43 +0000

Amazing how far the hate to torah and its observers are obvious in some comments, hate to a frum yid, and love to a freya provocater, what a shame!

By: Y_dont_U_research_b4_speaking

Y_dont_U_research_b4_speaking — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:02:13 +0000

At the end of the day its unfortunate but the facts don’t really matter at this point in the game.

It’s like the (apocryphal?) story about the Chofetz Chaim (I think) in court.

A character witness comes in and starts going on and on about how great a man he is and all the great things he does with obvious embellishments (like an Artscroll biography)…

The other side gets up and says come on, you can’t believe everything this man says – its too much.

And the judge responds… you’re right – this all seems over the top, but they don’t they things like that about people like me or you….

V’hamevin yavin. Or to spell it out, these actions may not be true and an investigation may bear out the reality that this guy didn’t do what the soldier claimed he did — but they don’t tell stories like that about the dati leumi